The next is a transcript of an interview with Democratic Rep. Daniel Goldman of New York that aired on Sunday, Jan. 15, 2023, on "Face the Nation."
MARGARET BRENNAN: We go now to Congressman Dan Goldman, former US legal professional in New York, who served because the lead counsel for the Democrats within the first impeachment trial of former President Trump, so chances are you'll acknowledge him. Good morning to you, Congressman.
REP. DAN GOLDMAN (D-NY): Good morning, Margaret.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, let's begin with the appointment of the Particular Counsel. I do know you had been requested final week, and also you stated you didn't assume one was mandatory. Given what we now know, and the developments, do you continue to assume it was a mistake to nominate Hur as a particular counsel?
REP. GOLDMAN: I do not assume it was a mistake. I do not assume any of us actually have understanding of what data the Legal professional Normal had when he determined to nominate Mr. Hur because the Particular Counsel. However I do assume it goes to a extremely essential reality that's being missed right here, which is that this administration is doing issues by the e book, there's a divide and a separation between the Division of Justice and the White Home that definitely didn't exist within the final administration. And President Biden and his group have reached out to the archives, they've reached out to the Division of Justice, they've accomplished the whole lot they'll to cooperate. And that is in direct distinction to what former President Trump has accomplished, the place he has obstructed justice at each flip.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper, doing issues by the e book now, however clearly, within the dealing with of labeled materials, not by the e book, as a result of the rules are fairly clear there. Are you able to clarify to me, for the search that we simply laid out that was occurring on the president's house for- the present president - his Wilmington house on Thursday? Why would he ship attorneys who do not have a safety clearance to seek for labeled materials?
REP. GOLDMAN: I am undecided, and we do not know the circumstances of that. However definitely, the paperwork go away the Vice President's workplace and need to be saved someplace. I do hope we are going to discover out extra details about it. However as you see from the White Home, an announcement from the non-public legal professional, Bob Bauer assertion, they're doing the whole lot by the e book, they take this labeled data, being the place it shouldn't be. And all of us acknowledge it shouldn't be there, they take it very critically. And they're abiding by the legal guidelines, they've reached out and been as cooperative as attainable. And that is a part of the explanation why they cannot converse is that they'd be probably interfering with an ongoing investigation, which as soon as once more, this administration takes very critically.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So are you able to clarify on Thursday, why a White Home legal professional, somebody who's paid by US taxpayers was the one with the safety clearance who obtained within the automotive and drove all the way down to Delaware to then choose up the place these attorneys who did not have safety clearance left off, after which discovered the 5 labeled paperwork? Why is it acceptable for a White Home lawyer to be concerned on this private matter?
REP. GOLDMAN: Properly, as a result of it includes labeled data which belongs to the federal government. And this White Home lawyer, Mr. Sauber has safety clearance. So the non-public attorneys as soon as they discovered a labeled doc –
MARGARET BRENNAN: Does that appear acceptable to you?
REP. GOLDMAN: to need to put it down cease. After which the White Home Counsel, sure, after all, that is acceptable. When you will have issues of nationwide safety, you could guarantee that those that have clearance to overview them are reviewing them. And as soon as once more, we're specializing in loads of the nitty gritty particulars right here. The larger image is broad cooperation from the president who clearly takes this very critically. And that- that must be actually underscored right here. In addition to the significance of an independence of the Division of Justice.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You had an op-ed final yr, in regards to the forty fifth President and the problems with labeled materials, and also you laid out 4 components you stated prosecutors want to take a look at: intend to distribute, clear data of significance, quantity of the fabric, and whether or not or not investigators had been lied to, is that the set of standards you additionally assume President Biden must be judged on?
REP. GOLDMAN: It completely is. And I believe if you happen to undergo these standards, and each, they don't apply, we haven't any indication that President Biden knew about them. He definitely has demonstrated no intent to deceive or impede the federal government by conserving them. And that is in direct distinction to President Trump, who refused to cooperate, who refused to adjust to a subpoena, and who finally compelled the Division of Justice to execute a search warrant to retrieve the labeled paperwork. If you take a look at this very clearly, and also you examine them there is no such thing as a comparability. These 4 components, I consider, apply to President Trump and none of them apply to President Biden. And that's the place we must be centering this dialog.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I wish to ask you about your first week in Congress. One of many belongings you did was hand ship this ethics grievance to your fellow New Yorker, Republican George Santos. He is underneath native, state, federal and worldwide investigation. You want a easy majority to-to transfer forward with any form of ethics motion. Do you will have any Republicans supporting what you are making an attempt to do right here?
REP. GOLDMAN: Properly, the Speaker of the Home indicated that the- he would help an ethics investigation. And in reality this morning, Congressman Torres and I despatched a letter to Speaker McCarthy, Chairwoman Stefanik and the pinnacle of the Congressional Management Fund, Kevin McCarthy's camp tremendous PAC arm, as a result of there's actually, actually bombshell indication and reporting from the New York Occasions that all of them knew about Mr. Santos' lies previous to the election. And as a part of this investigation, we're calling on them to be totally cooperative with the investigators, each in Congress and outdoors of Congress to reveal precisely what they knew about Mr. Santos' lies, and whether or not they had been complicit on this scheme to defraud voters.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly, you realize, for folk at house who aren't following this an excellent diploma of element. They hear Kevin McCarthy say issues like- the Speaker McCarthy, you say issues like Properly, different folks have additionally stated issues that are not true they usually work in Congress. They take a look at the truth that Senator Menendez of New Jersey has stated he is aware of of an ongoing federal probe that includes him, a variety of Democrats have didn't disclose inventory trades, different issues like that. Why is that this case totally different? And the way is that this not simply politics? Are you able to clarify it?
REP. GOLDMAN: George- Positive. George Santos is an entire and complete fraud. Every little thing that he stated about himself on the marketing campaign path, almost the whole lot has confirmed to be a lie. His monetary disclosures are — have clear false statements and omissions. And that is what we seek advice from the Ethics Committee for an investigation to resolve whether or not he broke the regulation. Eight Republican Congress members have referred to as on him to resign. This isn't like all of the opposite examples you are speaking about. It is a scheme to defraud the voters of the third district in New York, and this must be investigated intensively. And Mr. Santos must assume twice about whether or not he belongs in Congress. And extra importantly, the Speaker must assume twice about whether or not Mr. Santos is match to serve in Congress.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We shall be monitoring that story. Thanks very a lot, Congressman.