On this "Face the Nation" broadcast moderated by Margaret Brennan:
- Rep. Adam Schiff, Democrat of California
- Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick, Republican of Pennsylvania
- Rep. Michael McCaul, Republican of Texas
- Alberto Carvalho, superintendent of Los Angeles Unified College District
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MARGARET BRENNAN: I am Margaret Brennan in Washington.
This week on Face the Nation: We're in an intensely divisive time in America, with new questions on attainable prison misconduct by former President Trump and issues about his dealing with of a few of our nation's most delicate nationwide safety secrets and techniques, as we battle to cope with these unprecedented challenges to our democracy.
Then: On the eve of the one yr anniversary of the U.S. pullout and the Taliban takeover in Afghanistan, we could have an unique have a look at a brand new report about what went flawed, as a brand new U.S. intelligence evaluation says al Qaeda is now not a menace there.
All that, plus a have a look at the nation's instructor scarcity and its potential influence on our kids.
It is simply forward on Face the Nation.
Good morning, and welcome to Face the Nation.
It has been six days because the FBI executed a search warrant and seized at the least two dozen containers of fabric from former President Trump's Florida dwelling and resort, Mar-a-Lago. The dramatic developments every day since have left us with extra questions than solutions.
This is what we all know. The Division of Justice is investigating Mr. Trump for potential prison motion. A federal courtroom approved a search warrant after discovering possible explanation for impeding the investigation, in addition to the elimination of categorized nationwide safety data and violation of elements of the Espionage Act.
In response to the Presidential Information Act, the elimination of supplies is against the law, whether or not they're categorized or not. The FBI seized 11 units of categorized paperwork, some marked prime secret and above, together with extremely delicate intercepts, plus materials associated to the president of France and Trump confidant Roger Stone's clemency.
Whereas in workplace, presidents can declassify most something, however White Home legal professionals set up a paper path. It's unclear if one exists for these things. The search was carried out with two of Mr. Trump's legal professionals on website, however was not public information till the previous president introduced it on his social media platform, TRUTH Social, Monday evening.
It was the primary of many postings with the acquainted fees of hoaxes, witch-hunts and different false claims. The outrage from his supporters was quick and livid.
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SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM (R-South Carolina): I wish to know what -- , what led to this. I feel each Republican believes that the FBI, relating to Trump and different organizations, have misplaced their thoughts.
SENATOR RICK SCOTT (R-Florida): This could scare the residing daylights out of Americans. The best way our federal authorities has gone, it is like what we thought concerning the Gestapo or individuals like that.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Threats in opposition to regulation enforcement spiked dramatically on-line, utilizing excessive rhetoric not seen because the days main as much as the January 6 assault on the Capitol.
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CHRISTOPHER WRAY (FBI Director): Any threats made in opposition to regulation enforcement, together with the women and men of the FBI, as with all regulation enforcement company, are deplorable and harmful.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Thursday, Ricky Shiffer, a Navy veteran who mentioned he was on the Capitol on January 6, was shot and killed by police following his armed try and breach an FBI area workplace in Cincinnati, Ohio.
Whereas the standoff was Shiffer was nonetheless ongoing, Lawyer Normal Merrick Garland provided a uncommon public assertion defending the search.
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MERRICK GARLAND (U.S. Lawyer Normal): I personally permitted the choice to hunt a search warrant on this matter. The division doesn't take such a call flippantly.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: A courtroom then agreed to Garland's request to unseal the warrant. Trump's legal professionals didn't object. That warrant gave us some perception Friday into what was seized.
The DOJ investigation started months in the past following the Nationwide Archives' discovery that a few of Mr. Trump's presidential data had not been turned over, as dictated by regulation. The previous president acknowledged he'd taken materials to Mar-a-Lago after he left workplace and returned 15 containers in January.
Quickly after that, officers disclosed that categorized nationwide safety info was amongst these supplies. This spring, a federal decide issued a subpoena looking for additional data that investigators believed he failed to show over.
On June 3, federal brokers returned to Mar-a-Lago to debate further materials that was lacking. CBS Information has realized that a Trump legal professional licensed in writing after that assembly that each one categorized supplies had been faraway from Mar-a-Lago. DOJ suspected that was not the case, which triggered the FBI's retrieval final Monday.
And there's nonetheless quite a bit we have no idea. Information organizations, together with CBS, have filed a Freedom of Info Act request for the discharge of the underlying affidavit that may define proof and provides us perception into why DOJ officers imagine against the law presumably has been dedicated.
We start immediately with chief election and marketing campaign correspondent Robert Costa, chief nationwide affairs and justice correspondent Jeff Pegues, and congressional correspondent Scott MacFarlane.
You will have all been busy.
Jeff, I wish to begin with you and the information in a single day that Homeland Safety has issued this somewhat scary bulletin, frankly, utilizing language speaking about threats to regulation enforcement across the nation. Our Nicole Sganga obtained it.
And, based on the bulletin, it says the threats are particular, together with a menace to put a so-called soiled bomb in entrance of FBI headquarters. And there are requires civil struggle.
What are your sources telling you concerning the dangers?
JEFF PEGUES: Sure, that is, as you famous, some of the chilling bulletins I've learn. And I've learn quite a few bulletins courting again to the times of al Qaeda and ISIS.
And so that is the home menace right here. And, based on the bulletin, which I used to be simply taking a look at, once more, a part of the priority are a few of these drivers, public officers making statements in help of the search at Mar-a-Lago -- or in opposition to, criticizing the search, criticizing the FBI.
And so you've gotten FBI officers proper now involved concerning the security of their brokers, workers basically, after which, as you famous, that soiled bomb reference. So there's loads of concern across the nation. And that is the type of bulletin that can exit to all police companies, in order that they're intent on sharing info, as a result of, frankly, you do not actually know the place the menace is absolutely going to come back from.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And it mentions continued concern going into the midterm races as nicely.
Robert, I wish to go to you now. We have been speaking about this investigation and placing it within the scope of all of the completely different probes. And we tallied them up right here. For the previous president, there are at the least three investigations on the federal degree that we find out about, one state probe in New York into the Trump Group. a grand jury in Fulton County, Georgia, is taking a look at his makes an attempt to overturn 2020.
We're not even speaking about what's taking place on Capitol Hill. These are investigations underneath manner proper now.
This, nevertheless, triggered probably the most vital regulation enforcement response so far. What are your sources telling you about what the FBI has truly discovered?
ROBERT COSTA: It is such a great reminder, Margaret, that amongst all these investigations which might be ongoing, this one, going again to the spring, has been very severe.
And the legal professional's common assertion underscored that. It started with a subpoena within the spring after which the search, the assembly in June. Then that led to the final word search in August on the president's residence.
They're trying into the containers that he had, private supplies, in addition to categorized supplies, allegedly, that have been then included as a part of the trove of supplies and paperwork that went to Mar-a-Lago. They're extremely alarmed behind the scenes concerning the chance that, as you've gotten reported, intercepts, delicate details about nationwide safety, protection tasks have been a part of what the previous president introduced again to Florida, with out checking with different individuals.
Some associates of the previous president say, hey, he's somebody who typically wasn't organized. However, for the Justice Division, that is not going to be an excuse. That is a part of their investigation. What does he have? Is it a menace to the nationwide safety? They usually need him to provide it again. Nevertheless it's already a authorized battle.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And why wait 18 months to behave? What triggered this large response this week? Now we have so many questions.
I wish to get to Scott and are available again to you on the politics of this, as a result of we're already there.
However, Scott, on the menace ranges, I do know you've gotten been watching the extent of concern on the market previous the occasions of this week. After we have a look at the president -- the previous president's statements, he makes use of phrases like siege, assault, that the FBI is absolutely focusing on him. He has not known as for calm. He's persevering with to make use of this rhetoric.
What influence is there?
SCOTT MACFARLANE: Instantly, we see this acceleration of ferocious chatter on social media platforms, on discussion groups from potential extremists focusing on the decide who signed the search warrant.
They're attempting to infer who the FBI brokers have been who have been a part of that search. However that is simply an irritation of an already harmful state of affairs stemming from January 6. The prosecution of the Capitol riots has created its personal radicalization. The D.C. federal judges dealing with the January 6 circumstances are getting vile, vulgar loss of life threats.
The people who find themselves a part of the investigation are getting threats. The prosecution itself is radicalizing individuals. Now now we have a drive multiplier, a search of Mar-a-Lago.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And what's so attention-grabbing right here is, we're not simply speaking about rhetoric on-line.
For Homeland Safety to have gone out, taken what you laid out, after which issued a bulletin saying, this can be a actual, particular menace, that exhibits that that is growing. This is not simply individuals speaking out of faculty on-line.
JEFF PEGUES: Nicely, precisely.
I imply, look what occurred in Ohio on Thursday with this Ricky Shiffer, who was -- who took motion, tried to assault this FBI Cincinnati workplace, however was shot and killed. However it's the type of menace that officers are involved about.
These are lone actors who're motivated by a few of the drivers, which is these public statements from public management that they help, they endorse. And what you're listening to are these requires armed insurrection, and are -- there are individuals on the market who clearly have entry to the weapons to actually trigger some injury.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Which is deeply regarding.
Robert Costa, you've gotten been reporting that the forty fifth president want to run once more and is making some plans to run for president in 2024. How does this influence that?
ROBERT COSTA: That is factored into his resolution in a roundabout way.
I am informed by individuals near him this weekend that he is nonetheless shifting towards an announcement, regardless of the entire authorized challenges he's going through, probably...
MARGARET BRENNAN: So this is not damaging?
ROBERT COSTA: Nicely, we're not saying it is not damaging. This might be extraordinarily damaging.
Now we have so little visibility into what he put in these containers. Was it a grave nationwide safety menace? It might be politically explosive down the road. However we do not wish to get forward of that by way of the political influence.
However by no means does it appear to be deterring him from shifting towards a run. What we're seeing behind the scenes is also, he is arguing that he has some type of declassification. I spoke with Nationwide Safety Adviser, the previous one, John Bolton, who labored for Trump.
And he mentioned any argument that this was one way or the other declassified will not maintain up, as a result of he mentioned the president had the duty to care for the data he was given from intelligence briefers. Even when he introduced them again to the residence, he had a duty to ensure they have been filed correctly and that, even when he did not have the intent of committing against the law, that it was the flawed factor to do.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And there'd be a paper path.
That is an ongoing story. I do know all of you're busy. Thanks.
We wish to go now to California Democratic Congressman Adam Schiff. He is the chairman of the Intelligence Committee.
And his e-book "Midnight in Washington" is now out in paperback.
Good morning to you, Chairman Schiff.
REPRESENTATIVE ADAM SCHIFF (D-California): Good morning.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You might be sometimes informed about covert operations, ongoing nationwide safety threats. Do you've gotten any sense right now whether or not the data that Donald Trump had in his Florida residence posed any type of menace to nationwide safety?
REPRESENTATIVE ADAM SCHIFF: Nicely, all I do know concerning the precise supplies is what was in that search warrant stock.
However, from that alone, you may inform there was a severe danger to disclosure, probably, of sources and strategies, as a result of a few of these paperwork have been marked prime secret, delicate, compartmented info.
That's among the many highest of designation by way of the extraordinarily grave injury to nationwide safety that might be performed if it have been disclosed. So, the truth that they have been in an unsecure place that's guarded with nothing greater than a padlock or no matter safety that they had at a resort is deeply alarming.
And I've requested for, together with Chairman Maloney, a injury evaluation by the intelligence group and a briefing to Congress.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Will you get one? Have you ever heard from the director of nationwide intelligence?
REPRESENTATIVE ADAM SCHIFF: I've not heard again but. However I am assured we are going to get one. And I am assured the intelligence group will do a injury evaluation.
That's, I feel, pretty routine when there was the potential danger of disclosure of nationwide safety info or categorized info.
And what's, to me, most annoying right here is the diploma to which, at the least from the general public reporting, it tried -- , it seems to be willful on the president's half, the retaining of those paperwork after the federal government was requesting them again. And that's -- provides one other layer of concern.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, if there have been actually supplies of this classification degree -- and it has been publicly reported elsewhere that there have been supplies associated to nuclear packages, for instance -- if there was that delicate degree of data being held, why did Justice Division officers wait 18 months after the top of the Trump presidency?
What modified that made this speedy?
REPRESENTATIVE ADAM SCHIFF: I do not know.
But when the Trump individuals represented that they offered all of the categorized or nationwide safety info, and did not, that is a significant issue. I can inform you, anybody within the intelligence group that had paperwork like that marked prime secret, SCI, of their residence after authorities went to them, they might be underneath severe investigation.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You understand, the president has broad declassification authority when he's in workplace, however sometimes a declassification is memorialized in a roundabout way.
Are you able to hunt down the reply to the query of whether or not there truly is document of whether or not Donald Trump declassified that? That is his protection right here, that something he had, he had already declassified.
REPRESENTATIVE ADAM SCHIFF: Sure, we should always decide whether or not there was any effort in the course of the presidency to undergo the method of declassification.
I've seen no proof of that, nor have they offered any proof of that. The thought -- initially, a former president has no declassification authority.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
REPRESENTATIVE ADAM SCHIFF: And the concept, 18 months after the very fact Donald Trump may merely announce, nicely, I am retroactively declassifying or no matter I took dwelling had the impact of declassifying them is absurd.
However, nonetheless, the statutes the Justice Division are asserting within the search warrant do not even require that they nonetheless be categorized. If they might be damaging to nationwide safety, it is an issue. It is a main drawback.
And, lastly, I want to add, the response of a lot of my Republican colleagues and people across the former president to assault the FBI over this and endanger FBI brokers is simply one other damaging degree of irresponsibility.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Additionally, we realized this previous week that your colleague Congressman Scott Perry, who leads the Freedom Caucus, the Justice Division seized his cellular phone as a part of their investigation into the makes an attempt to overturn the election leads to 2020 and that slate of pretend electors.
The committee appeared into his actions and the slate of pretend electors. We heard in the course of the public testimony about that and a few conspiracy theories that he had been speaking to Mark Meadows, the chief of employees, about.
Are these two elements of these investigations overlapping right here?
REPRESENTATIVE ADAM SCHIFF: Nicely, to the diploma that the Justice Division seems to be investigating the faux elector plot, then, sure, our investigations would very a lot be overlapping.
What's to me most putting concerning the seizure of that cellphone is, in an effort to try this, after all, they must make a displaying to a decide or grand jury about there being possible trigger that there was proof of against the law on that cellphone. And the truth that it was a member of Congress' cellphone, I feel, would make the Justice Division all of the extra sure, or must be sure, that that they had the possible trigger.
And that additionally suggests the Division thinks that this faux elector plot was a violation of regulation, which I feel it actually was. So, I feel it's extremely vital in all these respects.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure, and simply that's its personal federal investigation there.
On one other subject, I wish to ask you. We're arising on this one-year anniversary of the U. S withdrawal from Afghanistan and the Taliban takeover of that nation. You mentioned on the time of the withdrawal that you'd have appreciated the navy to remain on so long as essential to get People out and fulfill our obligation to our allies. You had pledged vigorous oversight.
We have not seen the White Home or State Division after-action studies on this. The nation is simply in utter devastation underneath Taliban rule. Did it actually must be this unhealthy?
REPRESENTATIVE ADAM SCHIFF: Nicely, I actually do not assume the withdrawal needed to go because it did, and the lack of American lives in the course of the withdrawal, and the diploma to which it took months and months, and we proceed to attempt to assist individuals escape from Afghanistan, I feel may have been dealt with in a different way.
However I do assume that now we have demonstrated, the administration has demonstrated, with the killing of Zawahiri, the quantity two in al Qaeda underneath Bin Laden, that it retains the potential, a lot because it mentioned it will, a yr later to go after people who threaten the nation wherever they could be, on this case, the center of Kabul.
I feel the killing of Zawahiri exhibits each the hazard and in addition our capability, the hazard in that I feel clearly excessive parts of the Taliban authorities needed to know that he was there and have been giving him secure harbor,.
However, on the similar time...
MARGARET BRENNAN: Is al Qaeda an ongoing menace?
REPRESENTATIVE ADAM SCHIFF: ... now we have demonstrated we will and can go after anybody.
Al Qaeda is an ongoing menace. I feel, although, that the menace from al Qaeda might be higher exterior Afghanistan than it's in Afghanistan.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Chairman Schiff, thanks on your time this morning.
We'll be again in a second.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We go now to Pennsylvania Republican Congressman Brian Fitzpatrick. He is a former FBI agent and federal prosecutor, and joins us from Philadelphia.
Congressman, good morning to you.
I'm wondering, as a former agent, you have seen the warrant now, as all of us have. What does it point out to you a few potential crime that was dedicated?
REPRESENTATIVE BRIAN FITZPATRICK (R-Pennsylvania): Sure, thanks for having me.
Nicely, I feel it may be summed up in a single line, Margaret. It was an unprecedented motion that must be supported by unprecedented justification. Half A was an unprecedented motion. Sure, we all know that. This has by no means occurred earlier than in our nation's historical past.
To the second query, was there unprecedented justification, that continues to be an open query. And we all know precisely the place to look. And that's the affidavit of possible trigger, the one doc that continues to be underneath seal.
So, as a result of we do not have that info, I've inspired all my colleagues on the left and the fitting to order judgment and never get forward of your self, as a result of we do not know what that doc incorporates. It may reply loads of questions.
After we had the press convention on Friday with my fellow Intelligence Committee members, I telegraphed to the press then, I mentioned, the doc that you're going to see unsealed immediately, which was the affi -- I am sorry -- the warrant, the rider to the warrant, and the property receipt, usually are not going to shed an entire lot of sunshine past the statutes that have been being investigated.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However you voted for a invoice in 2018 that made it a felony to own paperwork or supplies containing categorized info.
President Trump signed that very same invoice into regulation. Did he break it?
REPRESENTATIVE BRIAN FITZPATRICK: Nicely, that is what we acquired to search out out.
I imply, no one is claiming and no one must be claiming, and no one must be claiming...
MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely, the receipt says that he had categorized and prime secret and above info in containers at Mar-a-Lago.
REPRESENTATIVE BRIAN FITZPATRICK: Proper. Proper,
Sure, no one's claiming that it is OK to have -- actually, I am not -- that it is OK to have categorized info anyplace exterior of a SCIF. I do know that higher than anyone, given my former career and my present committee task.
However the issue is that the administration is disputing loads of what's being publicly reported. So, the affidavit will reply that query.
It is going to be in a position to inform us who's offering misinformation. Is it the prior administration or the present administration? And we have to we have to get that clarified.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely, as , information organizations are attempting to get ahold of that affidavit. However these aren't usually launched throughout an lively investigation. Is it acceptable to launch it now within the midst of an investigation?
REPRESENTATIVE BRIAN FITZPATRICK: Nicely, that is -- I'd say this, Margaret.
On the very least, if they do not wish to unseal it for public consumption, they'll actually carry it into the SCIF, to carry it to our Home Intelligence Committee members. We, in any case, do have oversight over your entire intelligence equipment.
So that is what's puzzling to us, Margaret. Myself, Mike Turner, a superb member of Congress from Ohio, who's taking a really measured strategy as nicely, we perceive the dynamics at play right here. We simply wish to get to the reality.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
REPRESENTATIVE BRIAN FITZPATRICK: That is it, goal reality. We're not taking any angle from any aspect right here.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And I wish to get to a few of that reality and truth, as we all know it, extra on the opposite aspect of a break.
And I additionally wish to discuss to you concerning the threats in opposition to regulation enforcement that we're seeing, so please stick with us.
And we'll proceed our dialog in only a few minutes. We'll be proper again.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We will probably be proper again with Republican Congressman Brian Fitzpatrick and studies from Afghanistan on one yr because the U.S. withdrawal and the continuing struggle in Ukraine.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Welcome again to FACE THE NATION.
We proceed our dialog now with former FBI agent, now congressman, Brian Fitzpatrick of Pennsylvania.
Congressman, Breitbart, a conservative web site, printed the names of the FBI brokers who went to Mar-a-Lago and are associated to that, and there at the moment are a spike in on-line threats in opposition to them.
I wish to play for you ways some republican Get together leaders have described occasions this week.
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WOMAN: The FBI raid of President Trump is a whole abuse and overreach of its authority.
REP. STEVE SCALISE (R-LA): We're very sturdy supporters of regulation enforcement and it issues all people should you see some brokers go rogue and should you see an company that does not have the fitting checks and balances on the prime.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Is that accountable to refer to those regulation enforcement officers as going rogue?
REP. BRIAN FITZPATRICK (R-PA): Sure, I feel, Margaret, and I've urged all my colleagues to - to ensure they perceive the burden of their phrases and understanding what we do not know but. And that is why that possible trigger affidavit is so necessary.
And the unlucky actuality, Margaret, I imply in my few brief years in Congress, I've seen an undermining of all three branches of presidency result in threats of violence and acts of violence, beginning with the assault on my fellow baseball workforce members on the baseball area, to threats to Supreme Court docket justices, to threats to regulation enforcement, each native and in the course of the unrest in the summertime of 2020.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
BRIAN FITZPATRICK: And now to federal regulation enforcement. All of it is unacceptable.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper. And now there is a bulletin warning regulation enforcement of the extent of menace proper now.
That is why I wish to ask you, in a single day, a collection of statements from the forty fifth president saying the FBI has an extended and unrelenting historical past of being corrupt. He mentioned the FBI is a prison RICO enterprise whose cowl sources and strategies embody prison acts. His marketing campaign is fund-raising off of this and has referred to a military of brokers from the FBI breaking into his dwelling and mentioned that he hopes they don't seem to be planting proof.
Is he placing a goal on the again of those FBI brokers?
BRIAN FITZPATRICK: I checked in with a number of of my colleagues up to now few days, Margaret, to ensure they have been OK. Each single elected official, each single chief must thoughts the burden of their phrases. This type of - this type of discuss even --
MARGARET BRENNAN: Together with the previous president of the US, who has not known as for calm?
BRIAN FITZPATRICK: Proper. Right. I feel all people must be calling for calm. All people throughout the board. And all people must respect our regulation enforcement, whether or not it's native, state or federal.
I am very involved, Margaret, for the protection of our regulation enforcement officers, particularly proper now. I, myself, have been notified by the bureau that my life was put in peril just lately by a few of these similar individuals. And it is -- violence is rarely the reply to something.
We reside in a democracy that is 246 years outdated, Margaret. That is not lengthy, that is only a few generations, and but we are the world's solely democracy. And the one manner that may come unraveled is that if now we have disrespect for our establishments that result in People turning on People and the entire system turns into unraveled. And loads of that begins with the phrases we're utilizing.
So I urge all my colleagues, and we have seen disrespect throughout the - throughout the political spectrum, Margaret, which I discussed, with native regulation enforcement, with the Supreme Court docket and now federal regulation enforcement.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
BRIAN FITZPATRICK: None of it's OK. None of it.
MARGARET BRENNAN: In the event you take the title Donald Trump off of this warrant, are you OK with this raid?
BRIAN FITZPATRICK: It should not matter. Nobody is above the regulation. That is a precept that each one of us ought to conform to.
All I am saying right here, Margaret, is, an unprecedented motion -- as a result of this can have an effect on different issues.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
BRIAN FITZPATRICK: For instance -- for instance, loads of us are attempting very laborious to get FISA and Part 702 reauthorized. That is - , probably, if this have been a warrant that was extreme, and we do not know whether or not it was or not as a result of, Margaret, there is a continuum of how to collect proof. All the pieces from the passive service of a subpoena with a future manufacturing date, to the dynamic execution of a search warrant, which we noticed right here. There's loads of issues you are able to do in between, together with a forthwith subpoena, the place you current that subpoena on the door, you do not enter the premises, however you demand prompt manufacturing then and there. We do not know what was acceptable, what was justified or not, and that is why this affidavit is so necessary. That can reply all of the questions.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
BRIAN FITZPATRICK: So I am urging all my colleagues, do not prejudge what we do not find out about but.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Understood.
BRIAN FITZPATRICK: And I am additionally urging all my colleagues to grasp the burden of your phrases and help regulation enforcement it doesn't matter what.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Thanks very a lot, Congressman Fitzpatrick.
And on Saturday, the Biden administration launched an up to date evaluation on al Qaeda in Afghanistan, citing intelligence group studies that the phobia group is now not assessed to be a menace in that nation. Tomorrow marks one yr because the chaotic collapse of the Afghan authorities as U.S. troops ready to go away. And whereas the administration's full report on the much-criticized withdrawal remains to be a piece in progress, the highest Republican of the Home International Affairs Committee, Michael McCaul's report is full. He is right here with us.
Good morning to you, Congressman.
REP. MICHAEL MCCAUL (R-TX): Thanks, Margaret. Thanks for having me.
MARGARET BRENNAN: This deserves a full dialog. And I wish to get to it. Let me do that little bit of enterprise, although, first on the occasions of the previous few days.
Senator Marco Rubio, who's the vice chair of Senate Intelligence, issued a letter saying he was outraged to not have been briefed and he blasted the FBI saying that they've performed extra injury to religion and the rule of regulation than the Russian Federation or some other international adversary.
Is his anger misplaced?
MICHAEL MCCAUL: You understand, I feel it comes on the heel -- I feel "The Wall Road Journal" did an amazing article about how, , after the Russian collusion, Steele file, every thing that occurred in the course of the Trump presidency and now out of workplace to have this raid happen, look, I am a DOJ alumni. I labored at public integrity right here at essential justice. And what I fear about, Margaret, is the dearth of belief in our -- and religion in our establishments. That issues me most above all. And I feel if you noticed the DHS bulletin about, , potential threats now to the brokers, that is the entire cloth of our democracy. They usually have misplaced religion, many have, within the FBI and our establishments. I hate to see that as a former federal prosecutor.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Understood. And there's something like a wholesome skepticism about regulation enforcement actually. However for the previous president to be utilizing the language that he's when there's this degree of menace in opposition to FBI brokers, would you name on him to tone it down?
MICHAEL MCCAUL: I feel it is inflammatory. I do not wish to put any regulation enforcement within the bull's-eye of a possible menace, and as somebody who's labored with regulation enforcement most of my profession.
That is a rare case. And what legal professionals we name a case of first impression. We have by no means had a former president of the US served with a search warrant. There was a subpoena. The courtroom may have enforced the subpoena. That ought to have been a final stage course of.
And I'd additionally -- I agree with Brian Fitzpatrick, proper, the affidavit in help of the warrant offers you the possible trigger to attempt to perceive what's going on right here. And I feel the American individuals deserve this. And I actually assume, to Rubio's level, that the Gang of Eight ought to have been briefed. And I imagine that the related committees on The Hill ought to have entry to the paperwork. However, most significantly, this affidavit.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure. Nicely, we are going to see. It appears like it could take a while to get a few of these solutions.
I wish to discuss to you about Afghanistan.
I've learn your report. The State Division says there are about 74,000 weak Afghans nonetheless caught ready for these visas to exit the nation who labored with the US authorities. Your report says the State Division knew going again nicely into the Trump administration that it wanted extra employees, that it wanted extra sources to even start to assist get these individuals out, and that is earlier than the chaos of the withdrawal.
Is that one of many prime form of sins right here that you simply see by way of failure to plan?
MICHAEL MCCAUL: There are - there are a lot of sins, if you'll. There was a whole lack and failure to plan. There was no plan, and it was -- there was no plan executed. And to -- , to your level, , even beforehand I feel the State Division in all probability did not have the sources it wanted to hold out an evacuation of this dimension and enormity. They'd 36 consular workplaces at Hkia (ph) attempting to course of tons of of hundreds of individuals.
MARGARET BRENNAN: The airport.
MICHAEL MCCAUL: They have been overwhelmed. However there have been so many errors.
The largest one, Margaret, for me, having lived via it, have been -- , being within the categorized house, listening to the intelligence group inform the story about that is going to be imminent, it'll fall sooner somewhat than later. The navy mentioned -- informed us the identical factor. After which we went to state and so they paint -- and the White Home, a really rosy image. There is a disconnect between, , intelligence on the bottom and what the White Home is doing. I feel on this report this says all of it. Like, there is no manner we will evacuate embassy personnel from helicopters like we did from Vietnam.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
MICHAEL MCCAUL: And, after all, we all know that occurred.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely, the criticism of this report will probably be that this was the minority report, that it is inherently political. And that when the Republicans take the bulk, in the event that they win, the bulk in November, that that is going to be only a political line of assault.
How do you reply to that?
MICHAEL MCCAUL: I -- , like - I, , I used to be a federal prosecutor longer than a member of Congress, although that is been nearly 20 years now. And I pleasure myself as being goal.
I feel this can be a pretty goal report concerning the failures that have been made.
You understand one of many largest ones was that the Taliban sitting with Zakawi (ph), the particular envoy, and Normal McKenzie, the CENTCOM commander, made a suggestion, you may take management over Kabul and safe it for functions of the evacuation.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And Normal McKenzie mentioned that is not my task right here.
MICHAEL MCCAUL: Not my - that is not what the commander in chief informed me. They do run it as much as the White Home and so they get no response. After which later Jen Psaki says they would not have permitted that.
Take into consideration what that may have modified. We needed to depend on the Taliban to safe the perimeter of Hkia (ph). That led to the chaos. It additionally led to the suicide bomber that killed 13 service members, women and men, and injured over tons of of individuals. And it may have been prevented.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You understand, the present U.S. particular envoy for Afghan ladies and ladies was out of presidency when this was happening. She's quoted in your report as saying she nonetheless struggles to grasp how this supposedly pre-planned, negotiated, inevitable withdrawal ended the best way it did. It feels a lot like residing "Schindler's Checklist." That is a reasonably highly effective criticism.
Who particularly must be held accountable, if anybody right here? And is it merely simply the matter of, this was an intelligence failure that the federal government would fall as rapidly because it did, that the previous president would have fled. How do you reply to that, that there was an incapability to plan for this as a result of it was not predicted?
MICHAEL MCCAUL: Nicely, the intelligence group acquired it proper. So there was no failure on the intelligence aspect, nor the Pentagon. They known as it proper. The issue was the White Home and - and State Division placing their head within the sand, not eager to imagine what they have been saying, and subsequently not adequately planning.
And I feel to your level, the ladies left behind is the worst of this whole story.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
MICHAEL MCCAUL: I attempted -- I acquired 4 busloads of little ladies from the music college out. However the "Schindler's Checklist," , should you're on the checklist, you are going to reside. In the event you're not on the checklist, you are in all probability going to die. 100 thousand Afghan companions left behind. Bear in mind, we mentioned, we are going to shield you. That was our promise to them.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
MICHAEL MCCAUL: Nobody left behind. And we left them behind to the mercy of the Taliban and now they're being tortured and killed.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely, the State Division says that it has tried to conform together with your committee. We await their full report of their very own actions.
Thanks for sharing your findings right here immediately.
MICHAEL MCCAUL: They haven't -- they haven't -- they haven't - they haven't complied with our investigation in any respect.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Congressman, thanks on your time immediately.
MICHAEL MCCAUL: Thanks.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We flip to Imtiaz Tyab, who studies from Kabul about how life for the individuals of Afghanistan has taken a flip for the more severe underneath the Taliban.
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IMTIAZ TYAB (voice over): One yr after the Taliban's lightning-fast takeover of Afghanistan and the group's grip on energy is tighter now greater than ever.
IMTIAZ TYAB (on digicam): Throughout Kabul you may see the Taliban's flag flying practically in every single place, making it clear the U.S.-backed republic of Afghanistan is gone and the Taliban's Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan is holding sturdy.
IMTIAZ TYAB (voice over): However the nation's economic system is in ruins. Following the Taliban takeover, the U.S. froze billions in property and international donors pulled funding that made up practically three-quarters of Afghanistan's annual funds.
Triggering what the U.N. calls the worst humanitarian disaster on this planet, the place round 90 p.c of individuals haven't got sufficient meals to eat, and but the emirate appears extra centered on controlling the lives of its residents, particularly ladies, who've seen a lot of the progress they've remodeled the previous 20 years disappear and have been informed to cowl up.
Highschool-aged ladies have additionally largely been shut out of school rooms for the previous yr, however a rising quantity are defying the Taliban by going to unofficial faculties like this one, together with Defisa (ph), whose personal brother is a Taliban.
My brother would not know that I come to this college, she says. It is solely my mom who helps me.
For world leaders, the way to interact with the Taliban authorities continues to be a problem. Most of the males now working Afghanistan stay on worldwide terrorist lists, some with multimillion greenback bounties on their head, like Appearing Inside Minister Sirajuddin Haqqani, who's linked to this home in Kabul the place the U.S. says Ayman al Zawahiri, the al Qaeda chief and 9/11 plotter, was killed earlier this month in a drone strike.
Abdul Qahar Balkhi is the Taliban spokesman for the ministry of international affairs.
ABDUL QAHAR BALKHI: Up to now we've not reached a conclusion that certainly Mr. Zawahiri was current in Kabul.
IMTIAZ TYAB (on digicam): To be clear, you are not confirming that Ayman al Zawahiri was killed in that home not removed from the place we're sitting now?
ABDUL QAHAR BALKHI: Completely. Now we have not arrived at that conclusion.
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IMTIAZ TYAB: Abdul Qahar Balkhi, nevertheless, did agree that if the chief of a terrorist group like al Qaeda was discovered residing in Afghanistan, the Taliban would think about it a violation of the nation's sovereignty.
Margaret.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Imtiaz Tyab reporting from Kabul.
We'll be proper again.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We're additionally nearing one other milestone. It has been nearly six months since Russia's invasion of Ukraine and the struggle is getting into a dramatic, new section.
Our Charlie D'Agata studies from the southeastern area of Ukraine.
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CHARLIE D'AGATA (voice over): Ukraine's artillery and missile barrages this week proceed to actual a heavy toll on Russian forces. But practically six months into the invasion, the offensive grinds on. Ukrainian territory, cities, cities, we visited in jap Donbas area again in April is now firmly underneath Russian occupation.
However this week the struggle entered a dramatic, new section within the south, and a collection of explosions on the Russian air base in Crimea is only one a part of it. It comes as Ukrainian forces put together for a significant counterattack to recapture Kherson province.
In a front-line place, we're not allowed to establish, fight medic Sirhi Zitzif (ph) mentioned he is seen horrific accidents because the Russians have stepped up shelling.
The Ukrainian counteroffensive is already underway, he says. Yesterday, immediately, tomorrow. And that hit on the airfield in Crimea is a transparent assertion to Russians that we will get you.
And the Zaporizhzhia nuclear energy plant sits on the very fringe of the entrance line, underneath Russian management because the early days of the struggle, it is now grow to be a battleground with Ukraine accusing Russian forces of utilizing it as a defend to launch assaults. Yesterday we visited the cities of Makametz (ph) and Nikapol (ph), simply throughout the river from the plant which have come underneath heavy nightly bombardment.
CHARLIE D'AGATA (on digicam): This is only one condominium destroyed within the bombardment. Residents right here inform us they solely had about seven seconds from the time of launch on the nuclear energy plant to influence. No time for an air raid siren. No time to take shelter.
CHARLIE D'AGATA (voice over): Deputy mayor of Nikapol, Natalia Horbly (ph), informed us shells begin raining down within the early hours.
CHARLIE D'AGATA (on digicam): Do you imagine that these assaults are coming from the Zaporizhzhia nuclear energy plant?
CHARLIE D'AGATA (voice over): At that vary, the utmost is round ten miles from us.
G-7 nations have known as on Moscow to withdraw its forces in an effort to keep away from a nuclear disaster, however no one is giving floor right here as either side double down for the battle to come back.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Charlie, thanks.
We'll be again in a second.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: It is back-to-school time and districts nationwide are coping with a severe instructor scarcity. Nevertheless it's laborious to know precisely what number of school rooms are teacherless as a consequence of gaps in information from state to state.
Alberto Carvalho is the superintendent of the second largest college district within the nation, Los Angeles, and he joins us this morning.
Good morning to you.
The Bureau of Labor Statistics says there are 300,000 fewer public college academics than there have been earlier than the pandemic. These have been numbers present in June. Are you aware why so many academics are leaving the classroom?
ALBERTO CARVALHO (Superintendent, Los Angeles Unified College District): Nicely, good morning, primary.
I imagine we do. Primary, there are financial situations which have made it tough for academics to be recruited into the classroom. Inadequate pay, essential hardship. The pandemic didn't assist. Definitely, the over two years that academics endured throughout digital studying after which again to high school, with excessive situations confronted by many, actually had a chilling impact on many. And, on account of that, a disproportionate variety of academics throughout the nation determined to retire earlier than accruing full advantages. That is actually unprecedented in America's historical past.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely, a member of your employees informed us that out in L.A., to mitigate the scarcity, you are giving out incentives, grants, but additionally one thing known as various certification packages the place academics can go into the classroom earlier than they've absolutely accomplished their very own credentialing and their area work. You've got additionally employed instructors on provision and intern permits.
That sounds such as you're reducing requirements.
ALBERTO CARVALHO: We're actually not. I imply these are absolutely credentialed people. They've a bachelor's or a grasp's diploma. They might not but have the state certification, however they've the course content material already performed. They might be lacking a particular examination.
However, look, we're, for the very first time in over a decade, absolutely staffed going into August fifteenth, the very first day of faculty. We have been in a position to rent in extra of 1500 academics in the course of the summer season months. We partnered with schools and universities and we forged a large internet for recruitment. We provided incentives. And final however not least, we, as you appropriately mentioned, embraced this idea of micro-credentialing (ph) to speed up the hiring of certified academics for our college students.
MARGARET BRENNAN: The typical pay, based on the Nationwide Schooling Affiliation, in your district for academics is $87,000. Is the problem actually pay? And given on the federal degree that a lot emergency funding has been pumped in, I feel it is $2.5 billion simply from that spring rescue bundle, why is not the motivation sufficient to resolve this drawback on a nationwide scale?
ALBERTO CARVALHO: Nicely, primary, the incentives are optimistic. Nevertheless, you must have a pipeline of eligible candidates to fill these positions. And what we have seen is, primary, there are inadequate candidates graduating from schools of training nationally, significantly academics with the certification with college students with disabilities, elementary age college students as nicely.
So, the pay is necessary, working situations are necessary, well being profit packages are necessary. I can inform you one factor, contemplating the price of residing in Los Angeles, contemplating the price of housing in Los Angeles, it's tough to recruit people into our group. Nonetheless, for the very first time in over a decade, each single pupil in each single classroom in Los Angeles Unified could have a credentialed instructor on day one. That is actually gorgeous.
MARGARET BRENNAN: About 10,000 to twenty,000 college students you have mentioned usually are not enrolled in class or have stopped attending. The place are these children going?
ALBERTO CARVALHO: Nicely, that is been the query that the nation has been asking. We all know on account of the pandemic many mother and father determined to not enroll children, significantly youngest children, kindergarten and pre-k children, in faculties. Secondly, in communities like Los Angeles or Miami, the place you've gotten a major proportion of scholars who're immigrants or youngsters of immigrants, on account of the pandemic and worsening financial situations, they could have left the group or the nation. So, now we have the misplaced youngsters of Los Angeles. There are misplaced youngsters in Miami, New York, each giant single city middle.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
ALBERTO CARVALHO: That's the reason this previous week we scoured the group, we did knocks on doorways and we're bringing children again into our faculty system.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.
It is an necessary story, Superintendent. We are going to keep on it. Thanks.
We'll be proper again.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: That is it for us immediately. Thanks for watching. Till subsequent week, I am Margaret Brennan.
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