On this "Face the Nation" broadcast moderated by Margaret Brennan:
- Rep. Adam Kinzinger, Republican of Illinois
- Dr. Scott Gottlieb
- Amos Hochstein, particular presidential coordinator for worldwide vitality affairs,
- Jason Furman, economist and former chairman of the Council of Financial Advisers
- Washington, D.C., Mayor Muriel Bowser
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MARGARET BRENNAN: I am Margaret Brennan in Washington.
And this week on Face the Nation: Grim financial numbers immediate new fears of a recession, as President Biden makes a controversial journey to attempt to assist reduce international vitality costs.
Prices proceed to soar, with the value of meals, vitality and housing all up from Could. Inflation is now up 9 % yr over yr, regardless of a robust jobs market and reducing fuel costs. Wall Avenue and financial observers have been shocked by the report. However these numbers got here as no shock to Individuals discovering it more durable and more durable to make ends meet.
This was not the information the president wanted on his Mideast journey, the place he was criticized by even some Democrats for assembly with the Saudi crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman. The CIA says MBS authorised an operation to seize or kill U.S.-based author Jamal Khashoggi in 2018.
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QUESTION: Do you remorse the fist bump, Mr. President?
JOE BIDEN (President of the US): Why do not you guys speak about one thing that issues? I am comfortable to reply a query that issues.
QUESTION: Will inflation go down from right here, Mr. President?
PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN: I am hoping.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We'll dedicate most of our broadcast to the financial system at the moment, Presidential Coordinator on Power Safety Amos Hochstein, former head of the White Home Council of Financial Advisers Jason Furman, and D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser
We will even preview this week's prime-time installment of the January 6 hearings with Republican Congressman Adam Kinzinger, one in all two committee members presenting new proof Thursday.
Plus, former FDA Commissioner Dr. Scott Gottlieb is again with us, as monkeypox continues to unfold and new COVID variants immediate questions on what sort of booster works finest.
It is all simply forward on Face the Nation.
Good morning, and welcome to Face the Nation.
We've got loads to get to at the moment, however we started with the brand new January 6 investigation developments.
Late Friday, the committee issued a subpoena for Secret Service information following the revelation that the company had erased textual content messages from the day earlier than and the day of the January 6 assault on the Capitol. Final Tuesday's listening to detailed a chaotic White Home assembly between the previous president, White Home counsel Pat Cipollone, and a gaggle of outdoor advisers over a plot to grab poll bins and overturn the 2020 election.
This week, the panel will maintain a prime-time listening to on Thursday centered on the 187 minutes from the time when President Trump left the stage at that rally within the Ellipse...
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DONALD TRUMP (Former President of the US): And we will stroll all the way down to the Capitol!
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MARGARET BRENNAN: ... till he issued that notorious video message.
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FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: So go dwelling. We love you. You are very particular.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Republican Congressman Adam Kinzinger shall be co-leading that listening to on Thursday.
Good morning to you.
REPRESENTATIVE ADAM KINZINGER (R-Illinois): Good morning.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So let's begin with these Secret Service texts.
The company mentioned this was only a matter of timing and a tech improve. Do you imagine that? Or was this malicious?
REPRESENTATIVE ADAM KINZINGER: I believe we will know extra Tuesday.
We made the choice because the committee that we have to subpoena these information. The I.G. got here in entrance of us and mentioned, look, we now have been working onerous to get this. They declare it was this technological change: We moved every little thing, we misplaced these texts.
After which additionally they put out an announcement, although, that mentioned: We have solely misplaced among the texts and every little thing related to this investigation has been turned over.
So, these are very conflicting statements. So we determined, as a committee, let's request these by Tuesday, and we are able to decide.
I'll say this. Within the very least, it's fairly loopy that the Secret Service would really find yourself deleting something associated to one of many extra notorious days in American historical past, significantly in terms of the function of the Secret Service.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, the subpoena set Tuesday because the deadline. So has the Secret Service mentioned, we'll meet that deadline, and these texts nonetheless do exist someplace?
REPRESENTATIVE ADAM KINZINGER: That is what we have -- from what we perceive, they've mentioned: We'll meet this deadline.
And we'll see what we get right here. So, both we get that data...
MARGARET BRENNAN: You do not know that they exist nonetheless on report?
REPRESENTATIVE ADAM KINZINGER: We do not know.
So both we get that stuff -- if we find yourself getting the texts, then clearly, for no matter purpose, the I.G. did not. Now you may have what you may have. If we do not, then it will name out the Secret Service as having mentioned that that they had these texts, they usually do not.
So, is that this something large? We're undecided. However we have to chase each lead down on this, and there is a query of, why are they not cooperating with the I.G., the DHS I.G.?
MARGARET BRENNAN: Inspector normal.
REPRESENTATIVE ADAM KINZINGER: And they should.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So the committee has, although, spoken previously with some Secret Service officers.
So do you may have a date but to query the 2, particularly, Tony Ornato, about what occurred January 6? After all, he is related due to Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony about what occurred within the automobile.
REPRESENTATIVE ADAM KINZINGER: Sure.
Look, we're nonetheless engaged on that. We would like to have him are available in. We're figuring out these particulars. We all know that by way of, I suppose, nameless sources, they've mentioned they'll be comfortable to come back in and testify. We'd encourage anyone to, anyone that is aware of something, nevertheless it's acquired to be below oath.
Proper now, it is simply been dialogue from Secret Service by way of nameless sources. And that, to me, in comparison with anyone like Cassidy Hutchinson, who swore below oath what she had heard, that is vital to come back in and try this. In order that's nonetheless ongoing, however, hopefully, we get that.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Will you get that by Thursday and this listening to?
REPRESENTATIVE ADAM KINZINGER: I extremely doubt we'll get them coming in and speaking by Thursday.
However, once more, I'd love that. However we preserve getting new individuals coming in on daily basis with info, keen to go on the report. So it has been superb how, since these hearings have began, the quantity of data we're getting has simply quickly accelerated.
MARGARET BRENNAN: CNN was reporting that a D.C. police officer who had been in some way concerned within the motorcade preparations was corroborating the testimony given by Cassidy Hutchinson that there was an nearly violent confrontation with the previous president within the automobile that day.
Is that what the committee has been informed?
REPRESENTATIVE ADAM KINZINGER: I can not verify or deny these, as a result of we have not come out with who we now have or have not spoken to.
I'll simply say, I am not going to aggressively push again on that characterization. And we now have each purpose to imagine that what Cassidy Hutchinson mentioned, at the very least from what she mentioned she heard, as a result of she wasn't within the limo, by no means mentioned she was...
MARGARET BRENNAN: She was informed this by different officers.
REPRESENTATIVE ADAM KINZINGER: She was informed this. We absolutely imagine that she is a reputable witness. And her allegations are fairly explosive.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, 187 minutes.
You are main this listening to. You realize what you possibly can current at this level. Are you able to at the very least inform us when you stuffed within the blanks of who the President was really talking with, why there weren't cellphone information, for instance, of cellphone calls he could have positioned throughout that point interval?
REPRESENTATIVE ADAM KINZINGER: We've got stuffed within the blanks.
I can not essentially say that the motives behind every bit of data we all know we'll have the ability to clarify. However that is going to open individuals's eyes in a giant manner.
The fact is -- I provides you with this preview -- the president did not do very a lot however gleefully watch tv throughout this time-frame. We will current much more than that.
However I might solely think about, as -- I imply, I knew what I felt like as a U.S. Congressman. If I used to be a president, sworn to defend the Structure -- that features the legislative department -- watching this on tv, I do know I'd have been going ballistic to attempt to save the Capitol. He did fairly the other.
MARGARET BRENNAN: The president did not do something?
REPRESENTATIVE ADAM KINZINGER: The president did not do something.
And we will fill these blanks in. And if the American individuals watch this, significantly -- I say this to my fellow Republicans -- watch this with an open thoughts. And is that this the type of robust chief you actually assume you deserve?
MARGARET BRENNAN: The chairman of the committee, Bennie Thompson, has mentioned you all are nonetheless discussing whether or not to go forward and attempt to power a dialog with the previous vice chairman, Mike Pence.
His former chief of workers, Marc Quick, mentioned on this program that is very low chance of ever occurring. Do you personally wish to subpoena Mike Pence?
REPRESENTATIVE ADAM KINZINGER: Look, I personally wish to discuss to Mike Pence. I believe there is a distinction between, can we subpoena him, can we ask him for a transcribed interview? I believe it could be vital to listen to every little thing he has to say.
That mentioned, I am undecided we get a ton extra out of him than what his workers has already informed us. The large query we're nonetheless coping with as a committee is, is there profit in speaking to anyone like Donald Trump and request, and he are available in? That is one thing we're negotiating forwards and backwards on whether or not we wish to try this and what that appears like.
MARGARET BRENNAN: What's the worth in talking on to the previous president and the vice chairman, when the previous vice chairman's chief of workers and his authorized adviser have testified to you?
Why do you want him bodily there? And what would the president's testimony do?
REPRESENTATIVE ADAM KINZINGER: Sure, and I am undecided we do want them bodily there, as a result of, once more, we're getting plenty of info.
And I believe you may see, after Thursday's listening to, we all know loads. Look, Donald Trump has made it clear that he would not thoughts not telling the reality. Let's simply put that mildly. He lies on a regular basis, I would not put it previous him to even lie below oath.
So I am undecided what the worth is there. That is, once more, one thing we're -- I believe the factor to bear in mind is, this -- this investigation shouldn't be winding down. We could also be in the direction of the top of this tranche of hearings. We could have extra hearings sooner or later.
And the investigation continues to be ongoing. So, we're -- we're attending to the underside of what we have to know.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Tranche of hearings. What does that imply? I imply, what number of are you pondering? What extra do you may have?
REPRESENTATIVE ADAM KINZINGER: Nicely, we have executed -- that is -- this shall be our eighth listening to. That is the top in this type of grouping.
I absolutely count on, when the report comes out, we could have a listening to or two round that. However, after all, as you noticed with Cassidy Hutchinson, if we get info that the American individuals must know, we could find yourself citing extra hearings at the moment too.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So I wish to ask you concerning the former Overstock CEO Patrick Byrne, who spoke, I suppose, for eight hours behind closed doorways with the committee the opposite day.
He mentioned to reporters: "There may be a lot curiosity within the December 18 Oval Workplace assembly as a result of all of it comes all the way down to it. The crux of historical past comes all the way down to it."
After which his lawyer mentioned, cease speaking.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: What's the remainder of the sentence? Precisely what's the crux of historical past right here?
REPRESENTATIVE ADAM KINZINGER: I do not know. You realize, it is onerous to get into the thoughts of anyone like Patrick Byrne. It is onerous to get within the thoughts of anyone like Rudy Giuliani.
Is that this a grift? Do they actually imagine a few of these conspiracies? However he has been -- I imply, it looks like Patrick has come to imagine that there's some deep state conspiracy to overthrow the federal government, and -- or to at the very least have the deep state manner of the federal government.
And so I do not know what would have come subsequent in his thoughts. However I can let you know his -- he appears slightly unmoored from actuality in terms of politics and in terms of democracy.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, "Mom Jones" printed audio this week of Steve Bannon, who was talking to a gaggle of associates in October, I perceive this was recorded, concerning the former president's plan to declare victory. Let's take heed to what he mentioned:
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STEVE BANNON (Former White Home Chief Strategist): And what Trump's going to do is simply declare victory, proper? He will declare victory.
However that does not imply he is the winner. He is simply going to say he is the winner. That is our technique. He will declare himself the winner. So, whenever you get up Wednesday morning, it may be a firestorm.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: What does that point out to you? I imply, Steve Bannon speaks typically in hyperbolic phrases. Does that point out to you that there was a stage of planning going again that far?
REPRESENTATIVE ADAM KINZINGER: Oh, sure.
I imply, I believe, look, when you take a look at the President's statements even months previous to the election, he began saying: If we lose, it is as a result of it may be stolen. -
There was -- I believe it was Chris Stirewalt got here in on our second listening to and talked about that concept of that -- the purple mirage, how, early within the night time, it will seem like Republicans are profitable, after which, later, it will likely be the plain consequence.
I imply, I believe Democrats have been forward in Ohio considerably even in the beginning of the night time. Steve Bannon is an agent of chaos. Steve Bannon, in his personal phrases, believes it's a must to mainly burn the system all the way down to rebuild it and repair it. What he is saying proper there's very clearly him saying, it doesn't matter what, we're declaring victory.
And that could be a violation of every little thing we now have to carry pricey within the Structure. Pay attention, the one factor we'd like for democracy to outlive is the data you can vote, that that vote counts, and we dwell with the winner and loser.
If half the nation believes that that wasn't correct, you possibly can't count on democracy to outlive.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I wish to ask you about what is going on on in Georgia.
Your fellow Republican Senator Lindsey Graham is difficult a subpoena by a grand jury there. They wish to ask him questions on this name that he positioned to the secretary of state there across the election.
Graham mentioned he is executed nothing incorrect. Is there a purpose the January 6 Committee has not spoken to him? Are there questions you may have for him?
REPRESENTATIVE ADAM KINZINGER: Nicely, look, the query of, is there causes, nicely, I imply, first off, we now have plenty of info when it comes to what occurred in Georgia.
That is a chunk of our investigation. We've got the entire broader factor of what led to January 6, what's been executed since. By way of him, no, I have not talked -- talked to Lindsey Graham personally. That is his choice with the grand jury and a problem.
I am undecided if his problems with speech and debate, which is what he claims the safety are, he was appearing in his place as a senator, I am undecided if that really would apply to when you're making an attempt to vary an election consequence. I am not the lawyer. I do not know. However, to me, it appears slightly odd that he would attempt to pull that in entrance of -- when it comes to getting in entrance of a grand jury and saying what you understand.
MARGARET BRENNAN: All proper, Congressman Kinzinger, thanks for coming in. We'll be watching on Thursday.
REPRESENTATIVE ADAM KINZINGER: You guess.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And CBS Information will cowl that listening to at 8:00 p.m. Jap Time Thursday night time on our broadcast and streaming networks.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: There at the moment are greater than 1800 confirmed circumstances of monkeypox in the US.
States and cities the place infections are spiking at the moment are demanding extra vaccines from the Biden administration.
Becoming a member of us to debate that is former FDA Commissioner Dr. Scott Gottlieb, who's additionally a board member at Pfizer.
Good to have you ever right here.
DR. SCOTT GOTTLIEB (Former FDA Commissioner): Good to see you.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Give us a way of the size of this, as a result of the CDC numbers are out. They are saying they're solely eight girls inside that, no kids.
You are saying it is a pandemic. That is not a phrase the administration is utilizing but. What stage of emergency are we at.
DR. SCOTT GOTTLIEB: Sure, look, and I believe they'll be reluctant to make use of the phrase pandemic, as a result of it implies that they've did not include this.
And I believe, at this level, we have did not include this. We're now on the cusp of this turning into an endemic virus, the place this now turns into one thing that is persistent that we have to proceed to cope with. I believe the window for getting management of this and containing it in all probability has closed. And, if it hasn't closed, it is actually beginning to shut, 11,000 circumstances the world over proper now, 1,800 circumstances, as you mentioned, within the U.S.
We're in all probability detecting only a fraction of the particular circumstances, as a result of we now have a really -- we had for a very long time a really slender case definition on who acquired examined. And, by and huge, we're trying locally of males who've intercourse with males and at STD clinics.
So we're trying there, we're discovering circumstances there. Nevertheless it's a truth that there is circumstances exterior that group proper now. We're not choosing them up as a result of we're not trying there. This has unfold extra broadly locally. I would not be shocked there's hundreds of circumstances proper now.
MARGARET BRENNAN: It is slightly chilling to listen to you say containment has failed. I've heard you say that earlier than with COVID.
DR. SCOTT GOTTLIEB: Nicely, look, this is not going to blow up like COVID. This can be a slower-moving virus, which is why we might have gotten management of this if we had been extra aggressive up entrance.
And we made plenty of the identical errors that we made with COVID with this, having a really slender case definition, not having sufficient testing early sufficient, not deploying vaccine in an aggressive vogue to ring-vaccinate.
However now that is firmly embedded locally. And whereas it isn't going to blow up, as a result of it is more durable for this virus to unfold, it is in all probability going to be persistent. You will have this as a type of a truth of life, perhaps spreading as a sexually transmitted illness, but additionally breaking out of these settings.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So the CDC mentioned monkeypox can present as much as three weeks post-exposure. What are the essential signs? You probably have a rash, do you name your dermatologist? Who do you name?
DR. SCOTT GOTTLIEB: Nicely, it is a vesicular rash.
It is related to fever and achiness. You realize, traditionally, you used to get a disseminated rash. What we're seeing proper now's individuals aren't presenting with a extensively diffuse rash, however typically only a small variety of vesicles. So I believe it is being confused with different vesicular rashes, Herpes. Coxsackie could cause a vesicular rash, actually hen pox.
Proper now, anybody who presents with a vesicular rash that may't be defined by one other etiology, so a rash that causes vesicles, ought to be examined for monkeypox, whether or not they come from a high-risk group or not. That is the way in which we will snuff this out. We did not have sufficient testing to do this. Now CDC has gotten in place extra testing. There's in all probability satisfactory testing to broaden it to have the ability to accomplish that.
So we ought to be doing that physicians ought to be sending off these checks.
MARGARET BRENNAN: The issue with testing, additionally, it appears that evidently distribution or entry to a vaccine is a matter, the mayor of New York, the governor of New York asking the Biden administration to do extra to get them entry.
Why is that this an issue?
DR. SCOTT GOTTLIEB: Nicely, we did not have satisfactory stockpiles of the vaccine, the one vaccine that is authorised for monkeypox.
We solely had 2,000 doses within the Nationwide Strategic Stockpile. It was there as a hedge in opposition to smallpox. We took our eye off that ball, so we did not replenish that offer. They ordered about 300,000 doses which have been delivered; 150,000 have been distributed. One other 130,000 will exit this week. There's going to be...
MARGARET BRENNAN: A few of that abroad.
DR. SCOTT GOTTLIEB: A few of it -- nicely, there's 800,000 doses that have been abroad that the producer, Bavarian Nordic, had abroad. These are being introduced into the U.S. proper now.
FDA has to do what's referred to as lot launch. They've to examine these doses to ensure they have been appropriately manufactured. They're doing that inspection on the identical time that they are forward-deploying these 800,000 doses. So these are going to cities proper now. And, as quickly as FDA finishes that, which ought to be this week, these doses shall be turned on. They're going to have the ability to be distributed or be used on sufferers.
So I believe the vaccine scenario goes to enhance dramatically this week. You are going to see actually a whole bunch of hundreds of doses turn out to be out there. The White Home has intervened to take extra management of the response away from CDC. This cannot be our response each time...
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
DR. SCOTT GOTTLIEB: ... that, when CDC drops the ball, the White Home and the political management must step in. That is what's occurred right here. It occurred in COVID.
We have to basically reform how we reply to those crises.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You wrote a guide on that.
I wish to ask you about COVID. The CDC says now about 54 % of Individuals dwell in an space of excessive COVID group unfold. That is up from 31 % the prior week. That appears fast-moving. What's totally different about these variants now?
DR. SCOTT GOTTLIEB: Nicely, look, it is the B.5 variant that is rising. It has the capability to evade the immunity that we have acquired from vaccination and likewise from prior an infection.
It does appear to be that B.2 an infection confers extra strong immunity in opposition to this B.5 variant. So locations that had large outbreaks of B.2, just like the Northeast, in all probability are going to be extra protected. There's 100,000, over 100,000 circumstances on common being reported each day. We're in all probability detecting one in 10 infections proper now. So it is in all probability extra like one million.
I believe most Individuals have began to simply accept this as a part of the material of each day dwelling. Partially, that is based mostly on a wholesale recalibration of danger. Partially, it is based mostly on the truth that there's only a few people who find themselves immune-naive, so individuals really feel rightly extra impervious to a nasty consequence.
So we now have to acknowledge that this unfold is occurring in opposition to the backdrop, mainly, of regular dwelling.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However the White Home is saying, put a masks on when you go into indoor gatherings. Town of Los Angeles says they may institute this on the finish of the month.
DR. SCOTT GOTTLIEB: Sure, I do not assume we will see mandates. I do not assume that there is plenty of tolerance for mandates, perhaps in choose cities like Los Angeles.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However is it advisable?
DR. SCOTT GOTTLIEB: I believe, when you're going right into a congregate setting with lots of people you do not know, carrying a masks is prudent when you're in a high-prevalence space, particularly when you're somebody who's in danger.
You realize, I nonetheless put on a masks in sure settings. I put on it once I undergo the airport. If I catch COVID, I would like it to be from a member of the family or a buddy, not some stranger I am sitting subsequent to on a aircraft. So I attempt to be prudent once I'm in blended firm.
I believe, proper now, when you dwell in a high-prevalence area, it is advisable, particularly when you're somebody who's susceptible, if it is simple sufficient.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And a booster shot. Will we now have a rebooted bivalent vaccine within the fall?
DR. SCOTT GOTTLIEB: Sure, nicely, look, there's going to be a vaccine based mostly on B.4 that the producers are creating proper now. There's a bivalent vaccine based mostly on B.1 on the shelf proper now that we might be deploying. We're not.
That in all probability can be extra protected in opposition to this B.4 variant and B.5 variant. We -- they've decided to date to not deploy that, however to attend for the B.4 variant vaccine that is going to be out there this fall. Proper now, when you're above the age of fifty and you have not had a dose of vaccine this yr, you in all probability ought to get one.
And the sequencing is sweet. Get a dose now when you're somebody who's at excessive danger, and you'll come again and get one later.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
Dr. Gottlieb, good to have you ever again in particular person. Want you had higher information, nevertheless it's good to see you.
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DR. SCOTT GOTTLIEB: Thanks loads.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We shall be again with much more Face the Nation, so stick with us.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: In Uvalde, Texas, the group awaits the discharge of an investigation carried out by the Texas Home into the police response to the bloodbath at Robb Elementary College, by which 19 kids and two lecturers have been killed.
Greater than an hour of video from faculty safety cameras shall be proven to households together with that report.
CBS Information correspondent Lilia Luciano is ready for the report in Uvalde -- Lilia.
LILIA LUCIANO: Margaret, for too many mother and father on this group, it is too late. Solutions won't carry their kids again.
However they hope this investigation will pave the way in which for some stage of accountability and can stop at the very least a delayed response like this one from occurring sooner or later.
One of many large questions we're in search of to reply is, why did officers wait greater than 70 minutes to cease the shooter, when the coaching for each one of many seven businesses represented in these hallways tells them you cease an lively shooter instantly?
Why did they wait even because the gunman continued to shoot? They'd shields, rifles, breaching instruments. And why was the state's governor, Republican Greg Abbott, given incorrect details about the capturing response within the rapid aftermath?
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QUESTION: How do you are feeling about that now that you've got seen the video?
GOVERNOR GREG ABBOTT (R-Texas): Nicely, simply as indignant, as a result of it is clear that what was proven on the video was the precise reverse of the data that I used to be given on the day that I went out and defined what occurred.
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LILIA LUCIANO: The committee interviewed almost 40 individuals, at the very least 20 from regulation enforcement.
Among the many questions that we'd like solutions to is, why did officers assume that this was a barricaded topic? Why did they wait, once we know from earlier police reviews that there have been discussions amongst officers about kids being contained in the classroom, about potential injured individuals inside?
And we additionally know that, early on within the timeline, officers have been speaking to dispatch. So who was getting the 911 calls from kids like Miah Cerrillo, who was calling from contained in the room almost quarter-hour earlier than that door was breached?
This isn't the one investigation. There are at the very least 4 others, together with one by the Texas Rangers and a federal one by the Division of Justice. That so-called vital incident evaluate seeks to tell future coverage, coaching and apply classes realized for different police businesses throughout the nation -- Margaret.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Lilia, thanks.
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As President Biden met with center japanese leaders final week, he was accompanied by Amos Hochstein, the particular presidential coordinator for worldwide vitality affairs. He is with us now.
Mr. Hochstein, welcome to FACE THE NATION. Good to have you ever right here in particular person.
AMOS HOCHSTEIN (Presidential Coordinator on Power Safety): It is nice to be right here in particular person. Thanks.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So that you have been one of many few U.S. officers within the room when President Biden met with Saudi leaders. Why was this journey definitely worth the political danger? What did you get?
AMOS HOCHSTEIN: Nicely, I believe this was a historic journey. First it began simply touchdown in Saudi Arabia, in Jetta, as the primary ever flight from -- for a president to fly from Israel on to Saudi Arabia, with the backdrop of Saudi Arabia opening the -- announcement that they are opening the skies for the primary time for Israeli plane, for all plane, together with flights to and from Israel over its air area.
It comes on the backdrop of a serious achievement over the previous few months of a cease-fire in Yemen the place hundreds of individuals have been killed over the past seven years. This has been the longest cease-fire we have had with a dedication from Saudi Arabia to work to increase the cease-fire even additional. Main bulletins for meals safety and attaining contributions from the GCC, from the Gulf international locations, on meals safety.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However none on oil but?
AMOS HOCHSTEIN: Nicely, we had a -- main bulletins on - on cooperation on vitality ceremony massive. And when you recall, simply earlier than the president introduced his journey, just some days earlier than that, OPEC Plus made a serious shift in its insurance policies, recognizing that since Putin began amassing forces, the markets have been affected and that there was a provide/demand situation and introduced will increase in provide of fifty % for July and August.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
AMOS HOCHSTEIN: And I am -- based mostly on what we heard on the journey, I am fairly assured that we'll see a couple of extra steps within the coming week.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, OPEC Plus meets August third.
AMOS HOCHSTEIN: Sure.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Saudi has some, little or no, spare capability. So, are you saying you bought a wink and a nod that they'll pump extra?
AMOS HOCHSTEIN: I believe what we mentioned -- to begin with, it isn't nearly Saudi, it is about -- we met with - with the GCC and with Saudi Arabia. There may be -- I am not going to enter how a lot spare capability there's in Saudi Arabia and in UAE and Kuwait, et cetera, however there's extra spare capability, there's room for elevated manufacturing.
As we have informed producers in the US, we now have had conversations over the past a number of months and weeks with OPEC. And I imagine that there's nonetheless extra room to - to see extra steps within the coming weeks.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Saudi says it is acquired like one million spare barrel capability.
AMOS HOCHSTEIN: Once more, it isn't nearly Saudi. That is OPEC, so there are different international locations as nicely. So what we'd like is to see slightly bit extra. However let's - let's take a look at what has occurred because the president introduced his journey. Oil costs, at that time, have been at about $120. At the moment oil costs are round $100, $101.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
AMOS HOCHSTEIN: In order that's a $20 decline based mostly on the steps -
MARGARET BRENNAN: A few of that as a consequence of financial considerations, although. China trying prefer it's slowing and considerations right here about consumption happening.
AMOS HOCHSTEIN: So, there is not any doubt, there's by no means one purpose why oil costs go up or why oil goes down. As you understand, when oil costs go up, they have a tendency to say there's just one purpose, and that is the political management.
However, if you concentrate on it this fashion, over the previous few months, the president has provided the U.S. market with one million barrels a day, which is a historic stage.
MARGARET BRENNAN: From the Strategic Petroleum Reserve.
AMOS HOCHSTEIN: From the Strategic Petroleum Reserve. We have by no means executed that earlier than.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And that, what, ends in September.
AMOS HOCHSTEIN: No, that - that can finish in the direction of the top of the yr.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Do -- will it finish in the direction of the top of the yr? Are you able to afford to cease placing emergency provide in the marketplace?
AMOS HOCHSTEIN: Nicely, take a look at what has occurred. The non-public sector, as we discuss to them in the US, mentioned they will improve manufacturing in the US by about one million barrels a day, however it may take time to put money into it. It's going to come on the finish of the yr.
So, we stepped in, the president stepped in and mentioned, I will fill that hole.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
AMOS HOCHSTEIN: So, hopefully, my expectation is that the non-public sector within the U.S. may have these will increase coming so we need not have the emergency from the U.S. authorities. Within the meantime, we have seen the - the costs -- each the oil worth, but additionally the value on the pump has come down on the quickest charge that we now have seen in over a decade. So, from over $5.
And keep in mind this, just some weeks in the past -
MARGARET BRENNAN: IT's nonetheless fairly excessive. $5. Nonetheless fairly excessive. It might have come down from -
AMOS HOCHSTEIN: It isn't $5 anymore. It is now $4.55. And I count on it to come back down extra in the direction of $4. And we have already got many fuel stations across the nation which might be under $4. So we're - we're - that is the quickest decline charge that we have seen in opposition to a serious improve of oil costs throughout a warfare in Europe the place one of many events within the warfare is the third largest producer on the earth. So, these are extraordinary circumstances. We have taken very robust measures to deal with them immediately.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
AMOS HOCHSTEIN: Each or the American client however actually for the worldwide financial system too.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely, we'll watch to see if these fuel costs proceed to fall.
I wish to ask you about what the administration is pushing around the globe, which is this idea of placing a cap on the value of Russian oil that's offered in order that it isn't reducing again on the quantity however reasonably the windfall earnings Putin can revenue off of it. What's to cease Vladimir Putin from simply saying, advantageous, I am simply going to cease pumping?
AMOS HOCHSTEIN: Nicely, I believe that the way in which - look, the value cap is --
MARGARET BRENNAN: Does not that spoil your plan if he does that?
AMOS HOCHSTEIN: Nicely, first, he might try this tomorrow no matter what we do on a worth cap. You realize, Putin has been an unreliable provider, sadly. However I believe what we're doing is we're designing the mechanism in order that he can nonetheless - he nonetheless would have revenues. He wants these revenues to - that is the one revenues he actually has in his nation. There's nothing else in Russia aside from oil and fuel.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely, JP Morgan says he is acquired sufficient money that he is sitting on that he might reduce by 5 million barrels in that excessive instance that the value of oil would go as much as, what, over $300 a barrel, nearly $400 a barrel.
AMOS HOCHSTEIN: Nicely, what we wish to have the ability to do is to mitigate the place the value of oil on the world market would not really impression Russia in any respect as a result of we will put a worth cap so that every one they've is to get that worth and not more than that.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
AMOS HOCHSTEIN: We imagine that that's the approach to do it. So if costs go up, he nonetheless will not get that worth, and we are able to scale back that costs for -
MARGARET BRENNAN: Do you may have buy-ins for that? Why would India or China comply?
AMOS HOCHSTEIN: Nicely, first, on the G-7 a few weeks in the past, the G-7 endorsed this concept as a good suggestion. We're now beginning to have the conversations with the most important customers. And I'd ask the query the opposite manner round, would not each purchaser attempt to get a cheaper price? So, I believe each purchaser's incentivized to pay much less.
And I will - I will go a step additional. Proper now, no matter what you see as the worldwide oil worth, that is not what Putin's getting. So these headlines about Putin getting a - some type of a math between how a lot is he stilling occasions the value of oil on the earth, that is not his income as a result of he is already agreed to main reductions.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However he is nonetheless taking in cash and he is nonetheless funding this warfare. So --
AMOS HOCHSTEIN: That is what we're attempting to cease.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper. However, within the meantime, I wish to ask you rapidly concerning the president's local weather change efforts. This invoice and his proposal is totally stalled proper now. The president says he will take government motion. What's the plan? What are you going to really do right here in the US?
AMOS HOCHSTEIN: Nicely, I believe we have tried to get a plan the place we are able to incentive nice incentives for U.S. funding -
MARGARET BRENNAN: However you possibly can't block new oil and fuel drilling, proper? You possibly can't do a few of these issues as a result of they might counter your efforts.
AMOS HOCHSTEIN: Nicely, I believe what we wish to do on this - on this invoice that we now have proposed, and we're hopeful that - we nonetheless hope that that is what Congress does, is to provide it the type of incentive assurance that we are able to have extra American funding in local weather, renewable vitality, electrical autos. Why would not we wish to try this? Why would we wish to make - to create an atmosphere by which China is forward of us? The remainder of the world is making the investments and we're not. We wish to have the ability to put the type of incentives that there shall be extra funding within the infrastructure for renewable vitality, for photo voltaic, for wind and for electrical autos and for our nuclear fleet on this nation. That is how we get to local weather. We did not get that at the moment. The president is decided to take some motion that he can by way of government orders and thru different actions.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Like what?
AMOS HOCHSTEIN: We'll see what we are able to do that week and within the coming weeks. However, once more, I believe that the duty right here is to have the ability to make investments into our future. Whether or not we prefer it or not, the -- these -- some do not prefer it. That is the way forward for vitality markets in the US and around the globe. We have to resolve, do we wish the U.S. to guide or do we wish the Chinese language to guide this.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper. You have to persuade Senator Joe Manchin.
We'll be speaking about that forward on this phase.
Thanks very a lot for coming in.
We'll be proper again.
AMOS HOCHSTEIN: It is a pleasure.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: For a broader take a look at among the financial headwinds we face as a rustic, we're joined now by Jason Furman. He was the chairman of the Council of Financial Advisors below the Obama administration, and is now a professor at Harvard. He joins us from Boston this morning.
Good morning to you.
Inflation is operating extraordinarily excessive, as you understand. Up 9.1 % over the previous 12 months. Shelter, meals, fuel, all of the issues the Fed cannot actually management, they're hurting individuals.
Are we on the peak but?
JASON FURMAN (Former Chairman, White Home Council of Financial Advisers): You realize, Margaret, I do not know. Oil costs have been coming down. Gasoline costs have been coming down. In order that headline quantity, that is the one which Individuals actually really feel might be coming down.
What was worrisome on this final report is even when you strip out all of the risky issues, the underlying flooring was really strengthening. We would see the 12 month numbers rising within the months to come back.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Ouch.
You realize, taking a look at ahead planning, Financial institution of America is now predicting a gentle recession within the second half of the yr. JP Morgan says the danger of recession is uncomfortably excessive. However Citigroup's CEO mentioned she sees nothing within the knowledge now to point that we're on the cusp of recession.
So, this - that is the massive cash guess. What's your guess? The place are we on the potential for recession?
JASON FURMAN: Look, I am not that rather more apprehensive than I'm usually, however I haven't got any confidence in that.
MARGARET BRENNAN: What does that imply?
JASON FURMAN: Partially as a result of the financial indicators are actually unclear. Within the first half of the yr, it seems like GDP fell, however jobs grew quite a bit. You've got enterprise leaders saying they're apprehensive we will go right into a recession, however they're nonetheless hiring individuals. In the event that they're bankers, they're nonetheless making loans to individuals.
You've got customers saying they're actually detrimental concerning the financial system however they're nonetheless spending cash. It is onerous to sq. plenty of these contradictory indicators proper now.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper. However you are saying it's fairly potential, it is simply not clear.
JASON FURMAN: Oh, it is actually potential. However I - you understand, and it is actually extra possible than it usually is. The dangers are a lot larger than they usually are. However the concept a recession is a foregone conclusion, and even over 50 % probability, I do not see that, however I am trying by way of a cloudy rear-view mirror attempting to guess what is going on to occur forward of us.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper. Honest.
I wish to ask you about one thing you have been - you have been tweeting quite a bit about, and that's the fiscal aspect of the spending plan right here. There have been these weeks of talks -- we simply mentioned it -- over the president's proposals on local weather spending, quite a few different issues, and it collapsed, these negotiations, in current days.
You've got been tweeting in favor of the Democrat's invoice, which apparently would increase an revenue tax on people making over $400,000. Why do you assume it is advisable to lift taxes in a interval of inflation like that? Individuals like Senator Manchin say we should not be as a consequence of inflation.
JASON FURMAN: Sure. So, Margaret, Senator Manchin is completely proper to be extra apprehensive about inflation after the Friday report. Meaning we will must do extra. The Fed's in all probability going to telegraph bigger charge will increase sooner or later. It additionally means Congress ought to be attempting to do their half in serving to out. If they will reduce the deficit, together with elevating taxes on excessive revenue households, that will, you understand, scale back a little bit of spending within the financial system. It might cool the financial system down slightly bit and really take some stress off the Fed. The Fed wouldn't want to lift charges by fairly as a lot if Congress did their job.
So, clearly, it is a time the place everybody ought to be serving to out and bringing inflation down.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely, what's fascinating is that, whenever you have been on this program again in Could, you mentioned one of many causes the U.S. has extremely excessive inflation was the emergency spending that President Biden signed into impact again in March of 2021. And it was spending like that, that Senator Manchin factors to and says, see, because of this we have to wait.
So, why was he proper previously and he is incorrect now to be involved about spending?
JASON FURMAN: Sure. The distinction is that we're speaking about one thing exceedingly totally different then -- now than then. That was $1.9 trillion of latest spending. Now on the desk was one thing like $500 billion of deficit discount. It was a web discount within the deficit.
I believe nearly anybody, no matter the place they have been on the political spectrum that was an professional on this matter, would agree that will decrease inflation. There's Republican mates of mine that will say, oh, I do not like reducing inflation by elevating taxes on high-income households. They may have another manner they'd reasonably decrease inflation. However, unambiguously, that is going to carry inflation down. And from my values and views, it could carry it down in a good manner. Definitely way more honest than the tiny discount in inflation we'll get if 12 million individuals get reduce off their well being subsidies and see their premiums go up on the finish of the yr.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely, President Biden issued an announcement saying he would endorse this slipped down model of the invoice that will -- that Senator Manchin is endorsing that will decrease well being care premiums and prescription drug prices. Are you saying that slimmed down model is simply not significant?
JASON FURMAN: Nicely, look, I believe that slipped down model helps. It might decrease inflation each due to the general deficit discount after which very straight by slowing the expansion o prescribed drugs price. That may be in each possible the non-public sector and the general public sector that you'd see that slowdown. So if that invoice is one of the best you may get, and I actually do not know sufficient about ways in Washington to guage, that invoice can be - can be an excellent factor to do.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
JASON FURMAN: You realize, even inside that invoice, by the way in which, there are some open questions, at the very least in my thoughts. Should you're not going to lift taxes, how about implementing the tax code we have already got? $600 million goes uncollected yearly. Audits of millionaires are down 70 %. Should you fund the IRS, you possibly can acquire much more taxes with out elevating tax charges on anybody.
MARGARET BRENNAN: In a short time, will it add for inflation if all these states, Massachusetts, California, Indiana, Delaware, hand out checks to offset inflation?
JASON FURMAN: Completely. Each a kind of states is elevating inflation nationwide to learn the residents in their very own states. Collectively we'll be worse off due to it.
MARGARET BRENNAN: All proper, Jason Furman, thanks on your evaluation and for becoming a member of us at the moment.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: One of many extra startling numbers from final week's Shopper Value Index was the price of hire, which is hovering on the quickest tempo in 36 years. Right here within the nation's capital, common dwelling rental prices have jumped greater than 11 % in simply the previous yr. The nationwide charge is almost 6 %.
Washington, D.C., Mayor Muriel Bowser has made the push for reasonably priced housing part of her agenda. And she or he joins us.
Good morning, Mayor.
MURIEL BOWSER (D-Washington D.C. Mayor): Good morning. Thanks for having me.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, I wish to ask you, "The New York Occasions" had this piece on the housing disaster and homelessness in America and it highlighted D.C. as simply a kind of cities that has simply persistently not had sufficient housing to fulfill demand.
You've got been engaged on lowering homelessness. Is the prime situation provide?
MURIEL BOWSER: Nicely, we have been engaged on creating reasonably priced housing and producing extra and preserving extra. And we're among the many jurisdictions, I'd say, that lead the nation in being an area companion in manufacturing. So, simply within the final seven years we have invested greater than $1.4 billion in doing precisely that.
We're equally invested in making homelessness uncommon, temporary and non-recurring in our metropolis. And we now have a plan to get there. We have seen our charges of household homelessness, for instance, lower by 78 %. Power homelessness additionally. We're attacking and driving these numbers down for many classes.
So, what we see is, in a metropolis like ours, the place individuals wish to dwell and wish to work, that we at all times must be producing extra housing.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, I am questioning then, in an atmosphere the place we at the moment are the place rates of interest are going up, is that discouraging builders from producing what you want? Do you want the federal authorities to step in and supply some type of help?
MURIEL BOWSER: Nicely, we actually are going to have the ability to do much less with the very historic investments that we have made. So, we're involved about that. However what I do know, that we're doing every little thing regionally that we are able to. We've got a instrument referred to as the Housing Manufacturing Belief Fund. This yr alone we'll make investments $450 million in new items. We have set a purpose of constructing 36,000 new items.
So, we're at all times searching for the federal authorities to be a companion. And I've to say that in popping out of this pandemic and every little thing that the federal authorities was in a position to do to assist cities like ours preserve individuals housed with the American Rescue Plan dollars, with ensuring that we're stopping evictions and preserve individuals from getting evicted has been very useful.
MARGARET BRENNAN: "The Washington Put up" reported final week that homeless shelters in D.C. have been filling up and teams are getting overwhelmed by these buses that the governors of Texas and Arizona are sending right here stuffed with migrants.
How vital is that this inflow? How many individuals?
MURIEL BOWSER: Nicely, it is a very vital situation. We've got, for positive, referred to as on the federal authorities to work throughout state traces to stop individuals from actually being tricked into getting on buses. We predict they're largely asylum seekers who're going to last locations that aren't Washington, D.C.
I labored with the White Home to be sure that FEMA supplied a grant to an area group that's offering providers to people. However I worry that they are being tricked into nationwide bus journeys when their last locations are locations all around the United States of America.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So it isn't simply native taxpayers choosing up the tab. You are saying federal authorities helps?
MURIEL BOWSER: Nicely, native taxpayers should not choosing up the tab and mustn't decide up the tab. And we actually want a coordinated federal response. We all know that it is executed for refugees who - who come to - to the states from all factors of the world and the identical needs to be executed on this scenario.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I additionally wish to ask you about monkeypox, 108 million infections right here within the district in accordance with the CDC numbers. Is the outbreak extra vital than that? And are you ready for the spike in terms of out there vaccine? Your Democratic colleague in New York Metropolis says he wants extra vaccine.
MURIEL BOWSER: We want extra vaccine. We have gotten simply over 8,000 doses. We estimate that we'd like about 100,000 doses to deal with the present goal inhabitants.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Wow.
MURIEL BOWSER: So, we'd like extra doses for positive and we all know that that work is being executed. We have already got a really strong testing regime and we have mottled it on what we have been in a position to do with Covid. And we will proceed to check. And I believe due to that strong testing, we will see extra circumstances. However we wish individuals to concentrate to methods to - of defending themselves, particularly by getting vaccinated when the vaccine is out there.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Has the federal authorities promised you these doses?
MURIEL BOWSER: We -- no. Our well being division works with the CDC and others.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.
MURIEL BOWSER: And in order the - because the vaccine is out there, we will be able to distribute it.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I additionally need - you may have a giant portfolio right here within the nation's capital.
MURIEL BOWSER: Certainly.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I wish to ask you concerning the danger of political violence. Homeland Safety has warned the complete nation ought to basically be ready for extra political violence. How are you planning for it right here in D.C.?
MURIEL BOWSER: Nicely, we, because the nation's capital, we're type of at all times on excessive alert as a goal of all method of political violence. And, sadly, we have seen that of a home nature within the final a number of years. So our --
MARGARET BRENNAN: Notably Supreme courtroom justices, January sixth.
MURIEL BOWSER: January sixth. The occasions of -- surrounding the homicide of George Floyd. All. However we additionally see -- we see demonstrations of First Modification protests all year long. Some you do not hear about, however our police are on the market working on daily basis to ensure individuals can peacefully protest, but additionally preserve our cities secure. So, it's a ongoing, high-level interplay with our federal companions, together with federal homeland safety, all of the federal businesses which might be in D.C. However our metropolitan police division is there to help them in lots of circumstances and lead in others.
MARGARET BRENNAN: All proper, Mayor Bowser, thanks on your time and for coming in at the moment.
MURIEL BOWSER: Thanks. Thanks. My pleasure.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And we shall be proper again with extra FACE THE NATION.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: That is it for us at the moment. Thanks for watching. I will see you Thursday, together with Norah O'Donnell, John Dickerson and the remainder of our workforce protecting the January sixth hearings at 8:00 p.m. Jap Time proper right here on CBS.
For FACE THE NATION, I am Margaret Brennan.
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