The next is a transcript of an interview with Democratic Sen. Tim Kaine of Virginia that aired Sunday, Might 1, 2022, on "Face the Nation."
MARGARET BRENNAN: And we go now to Senator Tim Kaine, who joins us from Richmond, Virginia. Good morning to you, Senator.
SEN. TIM KAINE: Nice to be with you, MARGARET,
MARGARET BRENNAN: Thanks. Effectively, we woke as much as these photographs of Speaker Pelosi and high congressional Democrats strolling round downtown Kyiv. It is a assertion of help. I do know President Biden has requested for that assertion to be backed up with $33 billion of funding from Congress. How rapidly do you suppose this can get achieved?
SEN. KAINE: MARGARET, we'll- we'll flip to it as quickly as we get again to the Senate tomorrow. And I believe we have to push it very, in a short time. Clearly, we simply did an help bundle for Ukraine a few month in the past that was about $13 billion. And that may be a dramatic escalation over what we did in 2021 and even earlier than that. However this extra help is- is critical to assist Ukraine win and beat Russia's unlawful invasion of their nation.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Effectively, when that final $13 billion bundle was handed, Republican chief Mitch McConnell was on this program and he mentioned, the Ukrainians need more cash, we'll give it to them. You do not hear Republican leaders say, ask me to spend extra. However that is precisely what's occurring right here. So for Democrats, once you attempt to push this via, can there be a dedication to only having this be a stand alone help bundle to Ukraine? Or does it should be paired with issues like COVID funding?
SEN. KAINE: I do not suppose it does, MARGARET. You recognize, you- you observe the Hill fairly fastidiously. The process of the place you set payments collectively, separate them is- is- is quirky and typically unpredictable. However no, we don't- we'd like COVID help. We want Ukraine help. We must always do them collectively or individually, however we should not wait round. And I believe that is what Might must be about for us, is getting each of those achieved along with the competitiveness invoice. I believe these three massive payments: Ukraine help, COVID help, and the competitiveness invoice are the three massive duties forward of us in Might.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However the larger it will get, the slower it goes. Ukraine says they do not have time, so why not make this a standalone invoice? And whether it is only a defense-oriented invoice, do you must have meals safety funding in there? Do you must have international vaccine funding in there as properly?
SEN. KAINE: Effectively, once more, we will break it into smaller items or bigger items. We do want to do that rapidly. However keep in mind, MARGARET, in the- within the help bundle that we put in a month or so in the past, it was about $6.8 billion for army help and an equal quantity for humanitarian help. That help doesn't go all out the door on the identical second. Just about each week President Biden is releasing $500 million, $800 million of the help. And we nonetheless have extra of that first bundle to launch to Ukraine. We have to get it to them once they want it with the weapons they want. And we are- we nonetheless have a while to move this subsequent bundle. However I believe my- my colleagues in Congress on either side, with a only a few exceptions, they perceive how important that is. There's fairly a little bit of bipartisan resolve on the Ukraine help bundle.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Your Democratic colleague, Senator Coons, was on this program just a few weeks in the past and he mentioned there not less than must be a dialog about when the US would use pressure doubtlessly in Ukraine. Do you suppose there must be a dialogue of authorization, of use of pressure?
SEN. KAINE: I- I believe that will be untimely, MARGARET, however I believe there is a shared sense that first, if Russia had been to take motion in opposition to any NATO's ally, article 5 of NATO's would- would mandate a army response. And that will be—
MARGARET BRENNAN: However why would it not be untimely if- if President Biden has already mentioned he will not ship troops? He is already set a line.
SEN. KAINE: No- yeah. However he is additionally mentioned that use of nuclear weapons or chemical weapons might alter the equation. So proper now, the- the established order is we're offering huge quantities of help to Ukraine, each the U.S. and NATO allies and others. If there have been to be an invasion of a NATO nation, a kinetic or perhaps a cyber-attack, or if there have been to be use of chemical or nuclear weapons in Ukraine, that will change the equation. However for now, I believe the suitable technique is to flood the zone with army and humanitarian help.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Okay. One of many points in terms of COVID help, as you realize, is it has gotten pretty tangled. However what could occur on the U.S. border—
SEN. KAINE: Sure.
MARGARET BRENNAN: —and the potential expiration that is slated for the top of Might of Title 42, which is pandemic regulation that permits for asylum looking for migrants to be denied instant entry. Is there a method round this roadblock? Do you see it inevitable that there will probably be a vote on Title 42?
SEN. KAINE: I believe- I believe it'll, MARGARET. We want- we'd like a vote on the long- on the COVID help bundle. And Republicans have made plain that they need a vote on Title 42 as a part of a dialogue about COVID help. I'm a powerful believer, whether or not I am within the majority or minority, that there should be amendments and we ought to permit votes on amendments on the ground. I- I fear a little bit bit that typically majority events, Democrat or Republican, sluggish stroll laws to attempt to keep away from controversial modification votes. However I am- I am elected by Virginians to vote on issues, controversial or in any other case, and if after 28 years in workplace, I can not clarify a vote on one thing, I am not superb at what I am doing. So I believe we'll have a COVID help bundle vote quickly, in Might, and I believe the Republicans will ask for a Title 42 modification vote as a part of it. And we should, you realize, see what the modification is after which vote it up or down primarily based upon whether or not it is a good modification or not.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However you have additionally been considerably essential of the Biden administration's plan to permit for that border well being restriction to run out on the finish of Might. When's the suitable date?
SEN. KAINE: MARGARET, what I've mentioned is that this: Title 42 must expire.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
SEN. KAINE: It is an emergency regulation, and it must be changed by extra everlasting procedures and plans to do a greater job on the border. And so I used to be confused concerning the timing. We had been going to have Title 42 expire on Might 23 after which have new asylum and border guidelines go into place Might 31. I used to be simply confused with the administration's messaging about this, but--
MARGARET BRENNAN: Is It clear now?
SEN. KAINE: —DHS laid out a pretty- DHS laid out a fairly complete plan final week with six pillars flooding personnel to the border, which they're doing already, making ready to be used of expedited removals for people who cannot make a reputable declare for asylum, for instance. Extra work in Central America to assist their economies develop in order that the push of poor financial circumstances resulting in migration will abate. DHS has now laid out a plan, and the- and the suitable reply for the border just isn't an emergency short-term regulation. The best reply is everlasting fixes that may assist. That- that was a part of our immigration reform invoice in 2013 that handed the Senate in a bipartisan method that the Republican Home refused to take up.
MARGARET BRENNAN: One fast query for you. I do know you undergo from long run results of your COVID an infection. There's already been a few billion-dollar effort underway to review it on the Nationwide Institutes of Well being. Why is that not sufficient? And the way way more cash is required?
SEN. KAINE: MARGARET, I believe I might say I am experiencing lengthy COVID. There are people who find themselves actually struggling it. I would not name myself a sufferer. I've a weird, nerve tingling sensation that seems like my pores and skin is dipped in an Alka-Seltzer that is simply going off 24-7. However I can work, I can train, I can do my factor. However as you realize, lots of people with lengthy COVID have respiratory points, coronary heart points, fatigue. You are proper. We put a major sum of money within the American Rescue Plan—
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
SEN. KAINE: —and we're starting to do main analysis on the NIH and at different establishments. However we have to do extra analysis, unfold the outcomes of the analysis, present info to sufferers, households, suppliers, employers,--
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
SEN. KAINE: —after which most likely there will probably be a necessity to supply help to those that are actually struggling beneath lengthy COVID.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We are going to proceed to cowl that on this program as properly. Thanks, Senator.
SEN. KAINE: Okay.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We'll be again with much more. Stick with us.