On this "Face the Nation" broadcast moderated by Margaret Brennan:
- Home Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Democrat of California
- Ukrainian Ambassador to the U.S. Oksana Markarova
- Jim Taiclet, chairman and CEO of Lockheed Martin
- Rep. Nancy Mace, Republican of South Carolina
- Eric Holder, former legal professional normal
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MARGARET BRENNAN: I am Margaret Brennan in Washington.
And this week on Face the Nation: The way forward for a girl's proper to decide on an abortion is in jeopardy in lots of states throughout the nation, as an unprecedented leak of a draft Supreme Courtroom choice to overturn Roe vs. Wade creates the political equal of an earthquake.
There may be turmoil across the nation, as Republicans and Democrats scramble to determine what the political and the sensible influence of latest abortion restrictions may very well be.
Home Speaker Nancy Pelosi shall be with us. Plus, we'll hear from South Carolina Republican Congresswoman Nancy Mace.
Then: Ukraine's army is on excessive alert this weekend, bracing for extra assaults, as Vladimir Putin plans to have fun Russia's annual Victory Day.
Ukraine's ambassador to america, Oksana Markarova, shall be right here with the most recent.
Plus, we'll hear from the CEO of Lockheed Martin, Jim Taiclet, about what his firm is doing to assist present weapons for the battle effort in Ukraine.
And, lastly, we'll check out the politics of this yr's spherical of congressional redistricting fights with former Obama Lawyer Normal Eric Holder. His new e-book is "Our Unfinished March."
It is all simply forward on Face the Nation.
Good morning, and welcome to Face the Nation.
It has been a turbulent week throughout the nation, as one of the esteemed establishments in our authorities, the Supreme Courtroom, skilled one thing that occurs on a regular basis right here in Washington, the leak of a doc to the media. However this leak was explosive.
Not solely does it draw into query the sanctity of the court docket, however, if the draft opinion written by Justice Samuel Alito holds, Roe vs. Wade could also be overturned early this summer time. At present, abortion entry is federally protected as much as the purpose of viability.
If overturned, abortion may change into unlawful or considerably restricted in 23 states. Republicans have been reserved of their response, however Democrats are livid.
And we go now to the highest Democrat in Congress, Home Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who joins us this Mom's Day from San Francisco.
Completely happy Mom's Day to you, Madam Speaker.
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY PELOSI (D-California): Thanks. Completely happy Mom's Day to you, Margaret.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Thanks.
And earlier than we get to abortion, we did have this shock go to on Mom's Day by the primary girl, Dr. Jill Biden, to Ukraine.
Final Sunday, you have been in Kyiv assembly with Ukraine's president. How shortly can Congress ship this $33 billion in help that has been promised?
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY PELOSI: I feel we can do it as shortly as potential.
We've got nice bipartisanship when it comes to our assist for the struggle for democracy that the individuals of Ukraine are making. We've got respect for the technique of the president of Ukraine. And we've got a recognition of the necessity for weapons, for sanctions -- extra weapons, extra sanctions, extra financial help, and extra humanitarian help.
I used to be very proud to be there with my colleagues to speak about these very particular points and our bipartisan assist for them.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And also you assume you may get that completed earlier than the tip of the month?
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY PELOSI: I feel we've got to.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY PELOSI: Sure, I feel we've got to.
The specificity with which we talk about these issues with the president, president of Ukraine, the connection that we've got with the ambassador, whom you should have on the present later, we're very present on the wants and the urgency. And, once more, we may have bipartisanship as we go ahead with it.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.
Madam Speaker, I wish to speak to you, in fact, about abortion. California's Governor Gavin Newsom mentioned Democrats have failed to focus on Republicans on this subject.
Here is what he needed to say:
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GOVERNOR GAVIN NEWSOM (D-California): The place is the Democratic Celebration? The place's the get together? Why aren't we calling this out? This can be a concerted, coordinated effort. And, sure, they're successful. We have to arise. The place's the counteroffensive?
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Madam Speaker, why have been pro-abortion rights Democrats outmaneuvered?
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY PELOSI: I've -- I do not know. The actual fact is that we've got been preventing for a girl's proper to decide on, and that's to decide on.
We've got been preventing towards the Republicans within the Congress always as a result of the actual fact is, they're anti -- not simply anti a girl's proper to decide on when it comes to terminating a being pregnant, however when it comes to entry to contraception and household planning and the remaining, each domestically and globally.
This can be a fixed struggle that we have had for generations -- I imply, many years, I ought to say...
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY PELOSI: ... in my case within the Congress.
And the -- we had been bipartisan early on, assist for a girl's proper to decide on, till the politics have modified. And that is what occurred to the court docket.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY PELOSI: The science hasn't modified. The -- however the court docket modified. And, due to this fact, they're deciding that it will likely be totally different.
I do not know why anyone would make that assertion, until they have been unaware of the struggle that has been happening.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Effectively, you've been preventing for many years on this subject.
However again when Democrats held majorities within the Home and the Senate, 2009, whenever you have been speaker, President Obama was requested about codifying Roe versus Wade and mentioned abortion is a ethical and moral subject and -- quote -- "not the very best legislative precedence."
Do you assume it was a mistake for him, for different presidents to not push more durable when Democrats had the bulk?
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REPRESENTATIVE NANCY PELOSI: If I simply might, the main target we've got proper now's an pressing one so as to attempt to enhance -- and attempt to enhance this, whether or not we're calling it faux or draft choice, no matter it's. I feel that this can be a waste of time.
The actual fact is, in '09, we actually didn't have a pro-choice Democratic Celebration. I needed to struggle towards a few of the individuals who didn't wish to cross the Inexpensive Care Act as a result of they have been involved that it'd allow extra freedom of alternative. It actually did not go down that path.
Proper now, we do have a pro-choice Democratic Congress, and we handed the regulation months in the past, in final, I feel, September.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You probably did within the Home, sure.
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY PELOSI: It has been some time. It is plenty of votes.
The -- however the truth is also...
MARGARET BRENNAN: However the votes aren't there within the Senate.
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY PELOSI: Effectively, the Senate is -- you will have to speak to the Senate concerning the Senate.
However I do assume that it places an urgency on what's occurring within the election. Two extra -- one or two extra senators may sweep again the filibuster rule for this objective, after which ladies would have a proper to decide on.
That is about one thing so severe and so private and so disrespectful of ladies. Right here we're on Mom's Day, per week the place the court docket has slapped ladies within the face, when it comes to the disrespect for his or her judgments...
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY PELOSI: ... concerning the measurement and timing of their households.
So, the actual fact is, let's maintain our eye on the ball. And the ball is within the court docket of these justices, one among whom at the least mentioned again and again that precedent -- that priority has been established time and again on Roe v. Wade and that -- so, this choice is about being anti-precedent and anti- privateness, and has severe ramifications as we go -- as we go down this path. And it needs to be softened.
I do not assume there is a good final result, however there's a greater final result so far as that is involved.
MARGARET BRENNAN: When it comes to the...
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY PELOSI: And, once more, let's simply be prayerful about this. That is -- that is about respect for privateness.
What's subsequent? What's subsequent? Marriage equality? What's subsequent, contraception? What's subsequent?
MARGARET BRENNAN: Do you should write payments to enshrine these issues? These belongings you simply mentioned you are involved about, do you want payments to enshrine these now? Contraception entry.
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY PELOSI: Excuse me?
MARGARET BRENNAN: The belongings you assume is perhaps subsequent, do you should legislate to enshrine these in regulation proper now to guard them, should you assume the court docket might overturn?
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY PELOSI: What is admittedly fascinating, Margaret, about that is, for many years, I've been making an attempt to say to my Republican mates and ladies who care a couple of girl's proper to decide on, who contribute to Deliberate Parenthood and all of these organizations, you'll be able to't try this and count on -- you have to weigh in with your individual get together on this.
Barbara Bush, early on, Republicans have been very a lot about household planning and respect for girls. So, the factor is, is that most individuals all the time thought that this debate within the Congress was concerning the termination of a being pregnant, nevertheless it wasn't.
My Republican colleagues have mentioned to me every so often, we're not for any household planning domestically or globally, as a result of I used to be making an attempt to get them to assist us on some international household planning points.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY PELOSI: We're not for any of it.
And most of the people do not know that. And we do not wish to be -- , this can be a truth. This can be a truth. That is what they consider. They usually're true to their beliefs.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However given the -- given the urgency of with which you are talking, the Reproductive Selection Act, two pro-abortion rights Republicans within the Senate, Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski, put that ahead. Chief Schumer says it isn't even price placing to a vote.
However whenever you do have Republicans excited by working collectively, is that a strategic mistake? You say that is an emergency.
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY PELOSI: Effectively, it will depend on what the laws is and what the influence that it has on ladies's lives.
The enshrinement of Roe v. Wade into the regulation is the way in which so as to defend a girl's proper to decide on. I do not know why they are saying they're for that and cannot be for this laws. Ought to all of us have a dialogue and discover our frequent floor? All the time. All the time.
However this -- you are both for the enshrinement of Roe v. Wade otherwise you're not. It is the regulation of the land 50 -- or practically 50 years.
MARGARET BRENNAN: yr
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY PELOSI: The priority -- priority of it has been reaffirmed, what, 14 occasions.
And simply because there was...
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY PELOSI: The Republicans have been very clear after they had a presidential marketing campaign that their marketing campaign was to elect a president who would appoint judges who would vote to overturn Roe v. Wade. It did not say the science would change.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY PELOSI: And another level in that regard.
Mitch McConnell pulled again the filibuster rule so as to have these justices confirmed by 51 -- by not needing 60 votes, by 51.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Understood.
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY PELOSI: So, this can be a political choice on the a part of this...
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY PELOSI: The rule of regulation in our nation must be revered. Ladies must be revered to make their very own judgments with their household, their physician, their God.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
Speaker Pelosi, thanks in your time this morning.
Face the Nation shall be again in a minute. Stick with us.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: The CIA director mentioned yesterday that Russian President Vladimir Putin is doubling down on his invasion of Ukraine and doesn't consider that he can afford to lose. Violence is now escalating within the east.
CBS Information senior overseas correspondent Charlie D'Agata is in Ukraine -- Charlie.
CHARLIE D'AGATA: Good morning, Margaret.
The Ukrainian authorities blames Russian forces of bombing a college the place dozens of individuals have been taking shelter in Luhansk. Right here in Kramatorsk, the bombardment has worsened too. That is a few of the destruction left behind after a rocket assault struck a number of residential neighborhoods.
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CHARLIE D'AGATA (voice-over): Amid the ruins, all over the place proof of odd lives violently interrupted, a girl's shoe, youngsters's toys scattered on the bottom, a favourite jacket now hanging from a tree.
A couple of miles additional east in Luhansk, emergency crews dig for survivors in a bombed college, the place Ukrainian authorities say 90 individuals have been taking shelter. In Mariupol, authorities officers say, whereas all ladies, youngsters and the aged have lastly escaped from the besieged metal plant, as many as 2,000 Ukrainian forces stay, some medics, some badly wounded, some nonetheless preventing to the tip.
We traveled to the battered village of Velyka Novosilka, round 100 miles north of Mariupol, the place 10 Russian battalion teams, round 10,000 troops, have already been redeployed.
U.S. and Ukrainian intelligence says these Russians are actually massing on the outskirts of this city. It is clearly come underneath artillery assault. The explosions are ringing out now.
We discovered Irina Ilyenko and neighbor Valentina Hogenova within the ruins of their houses.
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CHARLIE D'AGATA: Throughout, shredded metallic, downed timber, shattered home windows, belongings blown out of bedrooms and onto branches.
Are you able to describe what occurred?
(WOMAN SPEAKING IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE)
CHARLIE D'AGATA: "I used to be simply sitting within the hall when the explosions occurred," she mentioned, "protecting my ears and praying. The explosions deafened me."
Wow.
(WOMAN SPEAKING IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE)
CHARLIE D'AGATA: "Oh, my God," she says.
Does that occur rather a lot?
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CHARLIE D'AGATA: There is not any water or electrical energy. She's determined to flee, however says she will be able to't depart her bedridden husband behind.
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CHARLIE D'AGATA: "I simply need peace to come back to this land," she mentioned. "I do not need any extra battle and anger."
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CHARLIE D'AGATA: That village is true on the trail of Russia's primary advance from the south.
Right here, Kramatorsk is on the firing line from the north. The Russian technique is to shut that hole and encompass tens of hundreds of Ukrainian troops -- Margaret.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Charlie D'Agata, thanks.
And a few breaking information this morning. CBS Information has realized that the Biden administration is sending a small group of American diplomats, together with the appearing ambassador to the U.S. embassy in Kyiv, to counter Russia's Victory Day celebrations.
State Division sources inform CBS that the embassy hopes to renew operations and lift the American flag there within the coming weeks.
We flip now to Ukraine's ambassador to america, Oksana Markarova.
Good morning. Welcome again to this system.
OKSANA MARKAROVA (Ukrainian Ambassador to america): Good morning, and comfortable Mom's Day.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Completely happy Mom's Day to you as properly and to all of the moms on the market.
President Zelenskyy has mentioned that he'll communicate with President Biden and different world leaders this morning. What are you anticipating when it comes to additional assist?
AMBASSADOR OKSANA MARKAROVA: Thanks.
Effectively, as we have fun the 77th additionally anniversary of the tip of the World Warfare II, it's important that all of us do the whole lot potential to cease the battle that Russian regime, very very similar to Nazi regime, began in Europe once more.
So the president will elevate the whole lot that we've got been discussing in the course of the previous -- this previous 73 days, extra army assist, extra sanctions, extra monetary assist to Ukraine. We depend on all of our mates and allies to assist us with the whole lot, so we are able to cease Russia whereas it is nonetheless in Ukraine.
MARGARET BRENNAN: President Putin is predicted to make a speech tomorrow in Pink Sq.. It isn't clear precisely what he's going to announce, however the CIA director mentioned yesterday Putin is doubling down. What precisely are you making ready for?
AMBASSADOR OKSANA MARKAROVA: Effectively, we all know that there aren't any pink strains for the regime in Moscow, so we're making ready for the whole lot.
They mentioned they won't go into -- that they weren't going to assault us. They usually did. They mentioned that there isn't a battle in Ukraine for the previous eight years. And we all know it was. They mentioned they did not take the Crimea. They usually did. They mentioned they are not killing civilians, and but we see all over the place the deaths of ladies, youngsters. They torture them. They rape them. They kill them.
So we are able to depend that Putin and imperialistic Russia will do the whole lot dangerous they'll probably attempt to do. The query is, are all of us ready, the civilized world, to do the whole lot potential to defend our democracy and freedom?
And Ukraine definitely will not be solely prepared, however reveals for the previous 74 days that we bravely defend these values and defend our houses.
MARGARET BRENNAN: There may be some hypothesis that Putin may formally acknowledge the nation is at battle after which begin conscripting troopers, which might assist him construct up that offensive within the east.
Is that what you are anticipating?
AMBASSADOR OKSANA MARKAROVA: Effectively, that will be the primary time when Putin will say the reality, that it's battle and that he's in dire want of conscripting troopers.
I hope that then it will likely be evident for all -- to all Russians what they're doing in Ukraine, that it is an aggressive battle. They attacked a neighboring nation, a peaceable nation. And the query is, are they ready to have extra tens of hundreds dying in Ukraine for no cause in any respect?
MARGARET BRENNAN: The U.S. mentioned a couple of days in the past that Russia is planning sham elections and they are going to attempt to annex components of your nation, Donetsk, Luhansk within the east, additionally Kherson.
They're already renaming faculties and streets, educating Russian curriculum, forcing using their foreign money. So, what does dismantling this a part of your nation really do? As a result of if you wish to get to a peace negotiation, they're already kind of swallowing components of your nation and making an attempt to combine it.
AMBASSADOR OKSANA MARKAROVA: Effectively, along with all of the battle crimes they're doing in Ukraine, that is a part of their M.O. We noticed it in Donetsk and Luhansk, which they occupied in 2014. We noticed it in Crimea.
So that they tried to create the sham elections. They can't discover sufficient Ukrainians to take part in them, as we noticed in Kherson, as we see elsewhere. We are going to by no means acknowledge it. The entire world won't ever acknowledge it. And we'll do the whole lot potential on the battlefield, but additionally diplomatically, to revive our territorial integrity and sovereignty.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So the world won't ever acknowledge it?
AMBASSADOR OKSANA MARKAROVA: I am optimistic.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Which means?
AMBASSADOR OKSANA MARKAROVA: I am optimistic.
Ukraine needs to be complete inside the internationally acknowledged borders.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, these sanctions the West has placed on would keep in place...
AMBASSADOR OKSANA MARKAROVA: Completely.
MARGARET BRENNAN: ... is one other technique to say that.
, we're seeing these studies out of Mariupol that there have been some profitable evacuations. It is only a dire humanitarian state of affairs there. Are you able to inform us what is going on on the bottom, who's left there?
AMBASSADOR OKSANA MARKAROVA: Our courageous defenders, a lot of wounded, a whole lot of medical doctors are nonetheless there.
So, as of yesterday, we noticed the studies. And our president has completed the whole lot potential to evacuate civilians. Now, whereas that could be a success, in fact, to get the civilians, ladies and youngsters out, we've got to do not forget that 95 p.c of Mariupol is destroyed, that tens of thousand civilians died in Mariupol, have been killed by Russians.
Really, extra Mariupol residents have been killed by Russians in two months than by Nazis throughout two years of Nazi occupation in -- in the course of the World Warfare II. So, we're calling on everybody to do the whole lot potential and unattainable to get our wounded troopers, to get our heroes, to create all potential corridors so as to get our individuals nonetheless out from Azovstal, the place they bravely defend the Ukrainian flag and Ukraine in Mariupol.
MARGARET BRENNAN: That is that metal plant the place...
AMBASSADOR OKSANA MARKAROVA: Sure.
MARGARET BRENNAN: ... fighters have been holed up with some civilians.
President Zelenskyy mentioned influential states have been concerned in efforts to rescue a whole lot of wounded fighters there. Who precisely helps? What does that imply? Is that on-the-ground assist? Is it simply diplomatic?
AMBASSADOR OKSANA MARKAROVA: Effectively, we all know that U.N. secretary-general has been in direct contact with our president, but additionally with others.
There are a whole lot of diplomatic discussions with different states on that. So I feel, after the battle, we can discuss all of the efforts that have been -- that have been completed...
MARGARET BRENNAN: Israel, for instance.
AMBASSADOR OKSANA MARKAROVA: However, on the bottom, it is -- it is our courageous Ukrainians.
And whereas evacuating civilians, we've got to know that so a lot of our troopers from Azov metal, from this plant who have been making an attempt -- serving to civilians to get out have been killed and wounded throughout these makes an attempt too.
MARGARET BRENNAN: How vital is the intelligence sharing that the West is offering to Ukraine? We hear rather a lot concerning the weapons, however what concerning the precise sharing of knowledge?
AMBASSADOR OKSANA MARKAROVA: I feel the sharing of knowledge between Ukraine and the West with all of our mates and allies is on the stage which we by no means had earlier than. And we actually recognize it.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Ambassador, thanks in your time in the present day.
AMBASSADOR OKSANA MARKAROVA: Thanks.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We'll be proper again with much more Face the Nation.
So, stick with us.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We wish to flip again to the struggle over abortion rights with Republican Congresswoman Nancy Mace of South Carolina. She's in Charleston this morning.
Completely happy Mom's Day to you, Congresswoman.
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY MACE (R-South Carolina): Thanks. And comfortable Mom's Day to all of the mothers on the market in the present day.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I wish to have a dialog with you right here after which we'll proceed it on the opposite aspect of this break.
However, first up, you're towards abortion, however you consider that victims of rape and victims of incest ought to nonetheless have entry to abortion. Do you assume these exceptions must be backed up with a federal regulation?
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY MACE: Effectively, completely.
I am somebody who -- I'm pro-life, however I do assist exceptions for rape. I am a rape sufferer myself. And whenever you understand what's occurred in your life, the trauma, the emotional, the psychological, the bodily trauma in a girl's life, that call -- she ought to make that call together with her physician and between her and her God.
And I've labored to assist these exceptions in my life, not solely as a state lawmaker, however now as a member of Congress. And South Carolina has a fetal heartbeat invoice that was signed into regulation that had these exceptions as a result of I instructed my rape story.
And people tales are sometimes missed and criticized, and ladies are attacked after they inform these tales. And that is one thing that I've talked about extensively all through the years as properly.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I do know you've. And I wish to speak to you about these as properly, as a result of there may be a lot nuance right here.
I will take a fast business break.
And I wish to ask you in additional element what sort of laws you assume may cross on the federal stage, what must occur on the state stage.
So, stick with us, should you would.
We shall be proper again in a second.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We shall be proper again with Congresswoman Nancy Mace.
So, stick with us.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Welcome again to FACE THE NATION.
We wish to proceed our dialog with South Carolina Republican Congresswoman Nancy Mace.
Congresswoman, you've spoken publicly about being molested whenever you have been 14, raped at age 16, and the way that has formed your emotions and convictions about rape.
I learn that you just mentioned that it took you 25 years to speak about your assault and that you just solely shared it along with your mom and one among your good mates. So, I'm wondering what you consider a few of these restrictions in states that will require rape victims to offer police studies so as to receive an abortion.
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY MACE:: Proper. Effectively, I can not communicate to different states. I - - from expertise as a state lawmaker, I do know that South Carolina's fetal heartbeat invoice wouldn't have handed with out exceptions for rape, incest, and lifetime of the mom. And I instructed that story. I felt it was actually -- a extremely essential story. A narrative that is typically missed and never instructed as a result of ladies are afraid.
And you'll even see in public feedback and on social media once I discuss it, the methods by which that I get attacked for telling that story. And one of many issues that I feel, , partially that is lacking on this dialog is that, when you've victims. When Ohio did their fetal heartbeat invoice, there was a 10-year-old lady that had been discovered to be pregnant, who was raped repeatedly by her father. And so, as -- I now it is a part of the Republican Celebration platform, the overwhelming majority of Republicans assist these exceptions for rape, and incest, and lifetime of the mom. And it is essential for -- for a few of us to step ahead and inform these tales which can be typically missed in all of this as properly.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
So, to be clear, you'll assist a vote in Congress, federal laws, to enshrine these exceptions?
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY MACE: Effectively, sure, and I feel that -- I feel one of many issues that is lacking, and I am glad that you just're bringing this up, in all the dialog, the media protection about Roe vs. Wade being overturned, is that what this does -- it isn't an all-out federal ban on abortion, nevertheless it places it again into state legislators and into Congress.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY MACE: You noticed Congress a few years in the past ban late- time period abortions, for instance. And so what this does is it places it again to the states, it places it again into Congress to cope with and determine.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Precisely.
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY MACE: And it was even Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who everyone knows was a -- was working for girls's proper and thought there was a constitutional proper for girls to have an abortion.
MARGARET BRENNAN: She did.
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY MACE: Knew that Roe v. Wade was flawed.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure, she did. She mentioned that. She mentioned that again within the '90s. It was an issue in her affirmation course of.
However -- so let's discuss states then.
The governor of South Carolina, your house state, fellow Republican, mentioned if Roe v. Wade is overturned, he needs additional restrictions with out these exceptions of rape or incest. He is contemplating proscribing abortions after six weeks of being pregnant. Is that too restrictive?
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY MACE: Effectively, I'd solely assist laws in South Carolina that had exceptions for rape and incest and lifetime of the mom. I do not consider that that will cross with out these exceptions.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However what about six weeks of being pregnant?
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY MACE: Effectively, that -- that invoice has already been signed into regulation, the fetal heartbeat invoice for South Carolina that he signed, I suppose it was final yr, had a -- it was -- it was six to eight weeks is when the heartbeat is discovered, however that invoice had exceptions for rape and incest and lifetime of the mom. In order that regulation is already on the books in South Carolina. And it will likely be as much as the legislature to find out if they need much more restrictions on it.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However -- however that is the place this will get messy, proper, is should you're saying it is as much as the states. After we take a look at nationwide polling, it reveals that there's a majority of People who wish to type of maintain the established order.
On the state stage, do you really assume the South Carolina legislature is in tune with public opinion right here as a result of, I imply, our polling reveals greater than two-thirds of Republicans say abortion must be usually accessible or accessible with stricter limits. Is it a political mistake to simply paint this as pro-life, pro-choice?
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY MACE: Effectively, I feel that a few of the polling is murky, too. It will depend on the way you ask the query and who's paying for the polling. There may be some polling on the market that claims that there are solely 25 p.c of People, some say as much as 30 p.c, that need abortion in ever case. They do not need any restrictions. So that claims to me that there is a huge -- a overwhelming majority of People which can be OK with restrictions on abortion. And we've got a few of the most liberal abortion legal guidelines on the earth. Should you take a look at Europe, there are various European nations that do not enable abortion after the primary trimester or after 15 weeks.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Twelve weeks or so.
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY MACE: Sure.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY MACE: And in Poland, for instance, they do not enable any abortions until there it is rape, incest or lifetime of the mom. And so it's a difficult subject.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper. It's kind of of an outlier there in Europe. It's.
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY MACE: Proper. However, , Portugal is 12 weeks. Sure.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
Congresswoman, I wish to shortly ask you, you are being primaried by a Trump-backed candidate. Do you assume your place on that is going to make it extra difficult for you? Do you assume President Trump remains to be the chief of your get together?
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY MACE: Effectively, my place on life with exceptions for rape, incest and the lifetime of the mom is according to my district, it is according to the vast majority of, I consider, voters in my state as properly. We have raised over $4.5 million for this race. My opponent has raised lower than $300,000. And, , I am working very arduous to win this, not simply by single digits, however by double digits. And I feel he is been given dangerous recommendation.
My opponent misplaced -- had her prime secret safety clearance revoked for leaking labeled details about our army.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY MACE: I dwell in a really fiscally conservative district, and she or he voted for the very best tax hike in South Carolina historical past.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY MACE: And so there are very stark contrasts in our file.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY MACE: And we have raised essentially the most cash. We've got the very best polling. And I've received 40 days to go till the June major and I am trying ahead to successful.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We'll look ahead to it.
Thanks, Congresswoman.
We'll be proper again.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We now flip to Jim Taiclet, the CEO of protection large Lockheed Martin, which makes a few of the weapons the U.S. is sending to Ukraine in its struggle towards Russia.
Good morning to you, sir.
JIM TAICLET, CEO, LOCKHEED MARTIN: Good morning, Margaret. Completely happy Mom's Day to you.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Thanks very a lot for saying that.
We hear repeatedly one of the highly effective instruments that the Ukrainians have are these anti-tank, Russian tank busting missiles often called javelins. That is what your organization collectively produces with Raytheon.
How shortly are you able to scale up manufacturing to get extra to them and to backfill what the U.S. has given up?
JIM TAICLET: Certain, Margaret.
Effectively, the president visited us in Troy, Alabama, to thank the workforce earlier this week and we actually recognize what he is completed for us.
We're, due to this fact, on our aspect, accelerating our funding in that manufacturing facility and in our workforce there. So we're already investing forward of time to purchase tooling, to increase the plant and in addition assist our suppliers to get able to ramp up manufacturing. So, proper now our capability 2,100 javelin missiles per yr. We're endeavoring to take that as much as 4,000 per yr. And that may take plenty of months, perhaps even a few years to get there as a result of we've got to get our provide chain to additionally crank up as we do.
So, we expect we are able to nearly double the capability in an inexpensive period of time.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Raytheon had mentioned that a totally different system, the stingers, they could not even get happening ramping that up till 2023. However you can begin when, precisely?
JIM TAICLET: We're beginning now to ramp it up as a result of we've got an lively manufacturing line proper now that the president noticed. And, additionally, we have got a provide chain that is lively, along with that. So we are able to begin turning up the warmth now and ramping the manufacturing instantly due to these circumstances.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You mentioned -- properly, you implied your principally doing on spec, proper?
JIM TAICLET: That is proper.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You are anticipating that order goes to come back by from the U.S. authorities.
However you are a businessperson. You need to plan forward. We do not understand how lengthy this battle goes to final. The CIA says, , Vladimir Putin thinks he is received to double down right here. So, how lengthy are you planning for with this ramp up?
JIM TAICLET: We're planning for the long term, and never simply within the javelin, as a result of this example, the Ukrainian battle, has highlighted a few actually essential issues for us. One is that we have to have superior programs in giant sufficient numbers. So like javelins, stingers, superior cruise missiles, gear like that. So, we all know there's going to be elevated demand for these sorts of programs from the U.S. --
MARGARET BRENNAN: All through -- OK.
JIM TAICLET: And for our allies as properly and past into Asia Pacific almost definitely too.
The second actually worthwhile lesson was management of the air area is admittedly vital. So, the Ukrainians are managing to regulate their air area. The Russian air power does not have free reign over your complete nation. And the explanation that they do not is as a result of the Ukrainians can nonetheless fly their plane and so they even have a fairly efficient built-in air and missile protection system. So merchandise and programs like F-16, F-35, patriot missiles, THAAD missiles, we all know that there is going to be elevated demand for these varieties of apparatus, too, as a result of the risk between Russia and China is simply going to extend even after the Ukrainian battle, we hope is over quickly. Although two nations, and regionally Iran and North Korea, are usually not going to get much less lively. Most likely they are going to get extra lively. So we wish to make certain we are able to provide our allies and our nation what they should defend towards that.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So what do you should try this, since you did say provide chain is a matter? I learn that there is over, what, 250 microchips or semiconductors in every javelin.
JIM TAICLET: That is proper.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We all know there's an effort in Congress to get laws to attempt to create extra semiconductors right here as an alternative of counting on Asian suppliers. Are you able to do that scale-up with out that type of laws?
JIM TAICLET: It is going to be extraordinarily useful to have the bipartisan innovation act handed, for instance, as a result of we do want to take a position extra within the infrastructure within the U.S. so we've got home provide, particularly in microprocessors. And so our manufacturing line can run in the present day, however sooner or later we will want extra home functionality in microprocessor, not solely design, however manufacturing, testing, et cetera, in order that have been have assured provide of these microprocessors sooner or later.
And there shall be different inputs too, however that is one of many highlighted ones.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However we have heard on this program repeatedly from enterprise individuals how essential that's to get completed. Congress nonetheless hasn't voted on it or voted it by.
JIM TAICLET: Proper.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Do you've any commitments from anybody right here in Washington to get this to the president's desk quickly?
JIM TAICLET: Effectively, we all know that there is a whole lot of assist for it each in Congress, within the administration, the Commerce Division, et cetera.
MARGARET BRENNAN: As a result of it takes time to scale that up?
JIM TAICLET: Sure, it does. It takes years. And so we're collaborating proper now, for instance, with Intel. It is one among our companions in making an attempt to drive what we name twenty first century safety into nationwide protection. And we will want essentially the most superior processors and we will want them to be customizable to protection wants as properly. So having that home functionality once more to go all over manufacturing and testing goes to be extra essential sooner or later than it's even in the present day.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You additionally make F-35s fighter jets, you referenced there. Germany is now making an attempt to purchase them. I imply you've a whole lot of patrons in Europe proper now doubtlessly.
Do you've sufficient employees to satisfy all of those requests?
JIM TAICLET: We've got sufficient now, however we all know, like, for instance, within the F- 16 line as properly that we're build up in South Carolina, really, we want extra employees. And so we're recruiting closely. We have got a really robust workforce in Fort Price, Texas, the place we make the F-35s. In order that manufacturing line is operating simply tremendous now. We have got enough workers there to try this. However in different components of the nation, and finally in Texas, we will want to really rent extra individuals.
MARGARET BRENNAN: All proper, thanks very a lot for giving us perception to your enterprise.
JIM TAICLET: Glad to do it.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And for being right here in particular person.
We'll be proper again.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Each 10 years the 50 states redraw their political boundaries primarily based on inhabitants modifications. Some states can acquire seats in Congress, others may lose some. The method is sort of all the time messy as state events attempt to safe an edge for the last decade to come back.
CBS's Ed O'Keefe took a take a look at 4 redistricting fights.
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ED O'KEEFE (voice over): In 4 huge states this yr, two pink and two blue, Democrats and Republicans could not agree on a redistricting plan, so courts have been requested to intervene.
New York's highest court docket tossed out a map drawn by the Democratic managed state legislature saying lawmakers did an finish run round a non- partisan fee.
New York misplaced one Home seat within the census, and though Republicans presently maintain eight Home seats, the brand new map drawn by Democrats would have make it tough for Republicans to win greater than 4.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They're making an attempt to silence the voices of the individuals on this district.
ED O'KEEFE: The court docket has appointed an official to attract up one more map due this month.
In Illinois, after the state misplaced a Home seat, Democrats eradicated two districts the place Republicans have been anticipated to win. Republicans challenged the brand new map in court docket, nevertheless it's more likely to stand.
The GOP can also be responsible of artistic cartography. Texas is gaining two seats in Congress. And though minorities accounted for 95 p.c of the state's inhabitants progress within the final decade, Republicans redrew the map to guard their incumbents by eliminating aggressive districts have been Democrats have been making features.
The Justice Division and civil rights teams sued.
VANITA GUPTA, ASSOCIATE U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL: Texas' redistricting plans will dilute the elevated minority voting energy that ought to have developed from these vital demographic shifts.
ED O'KEEFE: And in Florida, which additionally gained a Home seat, Republican governor Ron DeSantis insisted state lawmakers draw a map that eradicated an traditionally black congressional district, stretching from Jacksonville to Tallahassee, doubtlessly giving Republicans 4 extra seats.
GOV. RON DESANTIS (R-FL): We aren't going to have a 200 mile gerrymander that divvies up individuals primarily based on the colour of their pores and skin. That's improper.
ED O'KEEFE: Democrats have filed swimsuit, however they're operating out of time earlier than November's elections.
STATE SEN. TRACIE DAVIS (D-FL): The black inhabitants in Florida that lives north of the I-4 hall, their voices shall be diluted.
ED O'KEEFE (on digicam): When the mud settles after this many years spherical of redistricting, it stays to see whether or not both get together will emerge with a definite structural benefit nationwide. Now, whether or not the brand new strains are pretty drawn, properly, that is a matter of political desire.
For FACE THE NATION, I am Ed O'Keefe in Washington.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: And we flip now to former Obama administration legal professional normal, Eric Holder. He began a bunch in 2016, the Nationwide Democrat Redistricting Committee, to assist the get together redraw congressional strains. And he has a brand new e-book out referred to as, "Our Unfinished March."
Good morning to you.
ERIC HOLDER, FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL: Good morning.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Glad to have you ever right here.
, within the e-book you write each events have embraced gerrymandering after they have been in command of state governments, however you say Democrats have been caught asleep on the wheel when Republicans began investing 12 years in the past in a few of these native races.
, critics name your technique simply sue to blue. That it is simply all about partisanship. How do you reply to that?
ERIC HOLDER: No, ours is a struggle for equity. And, sure, we have introduced a whole lot of lawsuits -- efficiently introduced a whole lot of lawsuits so as to be sure that the method is completed in a good manner and in order that the American individuals really choose their representatives versus politicians selecting their voters. And so sue to blue, that is what they are saying whenever you're successful in court docket, which is what we've got completed at a complete bunch of ranges.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You assume Democrats have a bonus then going into the midterms versus the place you began out?
ERIC HOLDER: Effectively, I feel we definitely stopped the Republicans after they mentioned they wished to safe a decade of energy on this subsequent decade primarily based on the redistricting that they have been going to do. We've got blunted that effort and we definitely have extra truthful maps than we did popping out of the final redistricting cycle.
The factor that actually worries me, nonetheless, is that we've got 40 p.c fewer aggressive seats than I feel we must always have on account of what each events have completed.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You say that is about equity, however you have not challenged any Democratic gerrymanders. Ed O'Keefe laid out a few of these examples there. Each of the maps handed by Democrats have been thrown out by courts in Maryland and in New York. Do you've an issue with what occurred there?
ERIC HOLDER: I indicated my opposition to what had occurred, what the legislature did in Maryland. I agreed with the decide, which he did there. And In New York what I've mentioned is that these are usually not the maps that I'd have drawn in New York. My guess is that after the courts take a look at what occurred in New York, you will note maps which can be totally different however not basically totally different.
I feel you'll be able to't examine, nonetheless, what occurred in New York and Maryland to what's going on in Texas, Georgia, doubtlessly Florida, Wisconsin, the place Republicans have actually gone to city when it comes to gerrymanders. Essentially totally different from what Democrats have completed.
MARGARET BRENNAN: How so?
ERIC HOLDER: They're -- should you take a look at Texas, which is getting two extra seats strictly on account of the rise within the Hispanic inhabitants, they haven't elevated that -- the facility of Hispanics in Texas in any respect. The truth is, they've created extra majority white districts in Texas. The map that you just see in New York displays actually a inhabitants shift, a hollowing out of the agricultural areas in New York, in addition to a rise within the city areas in New York.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
ERIC HOLDER: So there is a census foundation -- census bureau foundation of what is occurring in New York that doesn't exist within the -- in Republican states.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You heard there what is going on in Florida and what Governor Ron DeSantis describes. He says that what he's doing with redrawing is race impartial. I do know you strongly disagree. Are you saying the gerrymandering there may be rooted in racism?
ERIC HOLDER: It is definitely race acutely aware. What he's doing there, by eliminating a historically black seat is definitely an element. Race is an element there.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However you assume it is to deliberately disenfranchise?
ERIC HOLDER: That is definitely a part of, I feel, their pondering. They are going after Democrats. And the truth that that -- the Democrats that they are going after occur to be black I do not assume is essentially a coincidence. The swimsuit that we received in Alabama was -- the place we mentioned that you must have extra illustration for a black -- the black inhabitants of Alabama, these districts have been definitely drawn with the thought that they'd disenfranchise African-People in Alabama.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I wish to ask you about Alabama as a result of as I perceive it, the Supreme Courtroom has tried to not immediately become involved in what they deemed political gerrymandering, however they've signaled a willingness to listen to circumstances that contain problems with race. There are nonetheless elections scheduled in November, within the state of Alabama, despite the fact that the court docket will hear this case. Do you assume that the maps being redrawn in Alabama will finally be deemed to be unlawful and due to this fact the election must be invalid? Is that what you are saying?
ERIC HOLDER: Effectively, , it is fascinating -- no, it is an fascinating factor. Effectively, they are going to have an election in November primarily based on maps that judges, together with two Trump judges, mentioned have been inappropriately, unconstitutionally drawn. The Supreme Courtroom mentioned too near the election and so we will enable the election to go forward on these maps that have been discovered to be faulty.
Now, that the Supreme Courtroom will finally do with Part 2 of the Voting Rights Act, which was the idea for the lawsuit in Alabama, will stay to be seen.
However that is one of many issues I discuss in my e-book, this notion of us attending to some structural modifications, that we have to look -- we have to ban partisan gerrymandering. We'd like the constructions of our democracy if we will attempt to -- if we will attempt to put it aside.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Effectively, you've a whole lot of totally different suggestions within the e-book, however, I imply, it is a lengthy to-do record. And the issue that you just sketch out right here, you say that your complete democratic system, primarily, is damaged, as I perceive it. Unrepresentative Senate, pointless anti- democrat Electoral School, gerrymandered Home of Representatives, panoply of state legislatures, and a stolen Supreme Courtroom. A stolen Supreme Courtroom. You say each particular person having an equal say in our democracy, one particular person, one vote, is way from a actuality.
ERIC HOLDER: Sure, I feel that is true.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You are saying your complete system is damaged. What -- so if Republicans win management of Congress in November, is that election -- does it not have integrity? Do you not settle for the result of it?
ERIC HOLDER: No, I feel your premise goes a bit far. I would not say that the whole lot is damaged, however there may be --
MARGARET BRENNAN: I used to be studying out of your e-book there.
ERIC HOLDER: No, what I am saying -- I'd say is, there's a substantial quantity of our construction that must be repaired, that must be examined. And I feel we must always -- what I've tried to place out -- level out within the e-book is that we've got confronted these points earlier than and that we have had heroes and heroines in our historical past which have confronted related sorts of points and thru sacrifice, dedication, they've made a distinction. And we've got the capability, I feel, to make these sorts of modifications. Banning partisan gerrymanders.
Should you take a look at the Supreme Courtroom, we've got two seats, one stolen from the Democrats that Merrick Garland ought to have now. That -- that seat was not crammed as a result of it was to shut to an election. After which Amy Coney Barrett was positioned right into a seat whereas individuals have been really voting. I imply these are the sorts of issues that I feel should be addressed. And what I discuss within the e-book is to say, look, we must always time period restrict the justices, 18 years, and that each president ought to have a chance to appoint two justices per time period and to attempt to take a few of the stress out of this -- the partisanship and the affirmation course of.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Republicans would, clearly, disagree along with your characterization of how that performed out.
However I do need -- Merrick Garland, you talked about, he is now in your previous job as legal professional normal.
ERIC HOLDER: Uh-huh.
MARGARET BRENNAN: There have been critics of him who say that he is not being aggressive sufficient across the prosecutions concerning January the sixth. Do you assume that is proper?
ERIC HOLDER: Nobody is aware of. I imply, , I've nice religion in Merrick and within the individuals on the Justice Division. We cannot actually understand how aggressive they've been till they're earlier than a digicam and asserting a choice, both to indict sure individuals or not indict sure individuals. And here is my prediction, sooner or later individuals on the Justice Division, maybe that prosecutor in Atlanta, are going to must make a dedication about whether or not or not they wish to indict Donald Trump. The air goes to be --
MARGARET BRENNAN: Would you do it?
ERIC HOLDER: Effectively, I feel there's going to be enough factual data. And I feel that there is going to be enough proof of intent.
After which the query turns into, what is the influence of such an indictment. I am an institutionalist. My preliminary thought was to not indict the previous president out of concern of what -- how divisive it might be. However given what we've got realized, I feel that he in all probability needs to be held accountable.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We'll depart it on that unimaginable be aware.
Mr. Holder, thanks in your time and for sharing your e-book.
We'll be proper again.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: That is it for us in the present day. Thanks all for watching. And to all the moms watching, Completely happy Mom's Day to you. Till subsequent week, for FACE THE NATION, I am Margaret Brennan.