On this "Face the Nation" broadcast moderated by John Dickerson:
- Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy
- Fiona Hill, former senior director for European and Russian affairs on the Nationwide Safety Council
- H.R. McMaster, former nationwide safety adviser within the Trump White Home and a CBS Information contributor
- Rep. Jamie Raskin, Democrat of Maryland
- New York Metropolis Mayor Eric Adams
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Welcome to Face the Nation.
As we come on the air, the Russian conflict technique seems to have undergone a significant shift. Two weeks in the past, the Russians had been centered on surrounding the capital metropolis of Kyiv. Now they've upped their assault within the jap and southern components of the nation.
Simply this morning, Russian missiles have struck an oil refinery within the Ukrainian port metropolis of Odessa. And there are experiences of recent explosions within the Russian border city of Belgorod, website of two different Ukrainian strikes final week.
It has been a horrific scene since day one, however the atrocities of conflict are escalating.
We warn you, among the pictures you are about to see are disturbing.
We start right this moment with Holly Williams reporting from Dnipro, Ukraine.
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HOLLY WILLIAMS (voice-over): Russian forces have pulled again from round Ukraine's capital, Kyiv, and Ukraine says it is retaken greater than 30 cities and villages.
However what the Russian troops have left behind is sheer horror. Within the city of Bucha, the streets are suffering from our bodies. Some, with their fingers tied behind their again, seem to have been executed. Others are buried in a mass grave. Greater than 300 residents had been killed, in response to the mayor.
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HOLLY WILLIAMS: Vasili (sp?) survived it, however the trauma of what he witnessed is written on his face.
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HOLLY WILLIAMS: He calls the Russian troopers canines and says he took cowl in his cellar for 2 weeks.
Ukrainian troopers are eradicating the lifeless with warning, fearful they might be booby-trapped with explosives. Ukrainian officers say these pictures present the bare corpses of no less than 4 ladies on a freeway exterior Kyiv. They declare the Russians tried to burn the our bodies.
Regardless of the devastation, it appears Vladimir Putin's unique battle plan has failed within the face of Ukraine's resistance, and Russian forces are shifting their consideration to the east of this nation. Gostomel Airport, simply north of Kyiv, the place Russian paratroopers landed on the primary day of the invasion, can also be again in Ukrainian fingers.
A visiting Ukrainian politician was upbeat.
OLEKSIY GONCHARENKO (Ukrainian Parliament Member): We'll rebuild our nation. We'll rebuild our dream. Our nation can be lovely, affluent, and Russia pays for every little thing they did.
HOLLY WILLIAMS: However many components of this nation are nonetheless occupied.
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HOLLY WILLIAMS: Ukraine says Russian forces opened fireplace yesterday on civilian protesters within the metropolis of Enerhodar.
And within the besieged metropolis of Mariupol, bombarded for weeks by the Russians, round 100,000 persons are regarded as trapped. Evacuation efforts are ongoing. The United Nations believes 1000's might have died in Mariupol, however the true quantity cannot be counted whereas town is lower off and underneath Russian assault.
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HOLLY WILLIAMS: A Ukrainian official stated yesterday that a assembly between President Putin and Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelenskyy was more likely to occur quickly.
However, right this moment, Russia's chief negotiator shot that concept down -- Margaret.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Holly Williams, thanks.
We go now to Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelenskyy. He joins us from Kyiv, the capital of Ukraine.
Good afternoon, sir.
VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY (Ukrainian President) (by means of translator): Good morning.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Mr. President, Russian forces look like withdrawing from the north of Ukraine.
Do you assume this implies Putin's calculus is altering?
PRESIDENT VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY (by means of translator): Thanks for this query.
, Margaret, we -- they've pulled out from some localities. In others, they're redoing the redeployment, as a result of the battle, the scenario is tough. There have been some communities that they had been attempting to take a number of instances.
And it is a tragedy, as a result of our military needed to take again as properly, So town of Chornobaivka, 9 instances, they tried to take it over. However we expect that is the redeployment, in our opinion. They're altering the ways now. They had been attempting to take Kyiv and a few cities in Kyiv area.
A few of them have been occupied, after which they destroyed every little thing. The civilians, the homes, they had been stealing washing machines and tools.
So, there have been torturers as properly. I believe the clips that we shared with you, you've gotten seen for your self. It is vital for the free folks of the USA to take a look at it and perceive and see for themselves.
Earlier than the conflict, when there was a variety of free time, we had been watching totally different movies, and likewise conflict films, however we could not have imagined something like this, as a result of it is a maniac kind of resolution to only -- to destroy the entire nation.
Nicely, by way of the ways and them pulling out and what the technique of the -- of Putin is, they're now focusing within the east of Ukraine. So, this hall, which goes from the Crimea to the east of Ukraine, that is within the south of Ukraine.
And that is the place they're attempting to focus by way of armament, by way of deploying their personnel, the Chechen troops occupying the cities. They had been bringing folks in from totally different components of the world, as a result of they had been in deficit of their personnel. And now they're grouping all of those troops within the south and east of our nation.
MARGARET BRENNAN: The photographs you are speaking about have been described by leaders around the globe as horrific.
The mayor of Kyiv used the time period genocide. Your vice prime minister is asking if that is fascism or genocide, by way of what has been left round Kyiv. Do you are feeling that the world will really make good on this promise to carry Vladimir Putin to account for conflict crimes?
PRESIDENT VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY (by means of translator): All the pieces must be honest and in response to justice, because the civilized world will determine.
We imagine in justice, within the justice of the Western world, of -- and, due to this fact, the query is just not solely in regards to the chief of Russian Federation. We would not assume that it might be honest to take solely him. I believe all of the navy commanders, everybody who gave directions and orders must be punished adequately.
The sufficient punishment to those folks is tough to be achieved. It must be performed in response to the regulation and what they've performed.
And I need to apologize to you and to these people who find themselves watching us now, however, for some issues that they've performed, after we discover folks with -- with fingers tied behind their again and decapitated, such issues, I do not perceive, I do not comprehend, the youngsters who had been killed and tortured.
So it wasn't sufficient simply to kill for these criminals. Perhaps they wished to take gold or washing machines. They usually had been killing them, however they had been additionally torturing them as they did this.
And your query is completely honest, however I haven't got the reply. I do not know what regulation or what imprisonment time period could be sufficient for this. As the daddy of two kids, and as a president, I believe that these folks, if they're put behind the bars, that is one too little for what they've performed.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Is that this genocide?
PRESIDENT VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY (by means of translator): Certainly, that is genocide, the elimination of the entire nation and the folks.
We're the residents of Ukraine. We have now greater than 100 nationalities. That is in regards to the destruction and extermination of all these nationalities. We're the residents of Ukraine. And we do not need to be subdued to the coverage of Russian Federation.
That is the explanation we're being destroyed and exterminated, and that is taking place within the Europe of the twenty first century. So that is the torture of the entire nation.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Within the Donbass southeast space of your nation, town of Mariupol, are you having any success getting civilians out?
PRESIDENT VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY (by means of translator): Many individuals, many 1000's of individuals have been evacuated.
In sure cities, 35,000, 30,000, 40,000 have been evacuated, so altogether, a whole bunch of 1000's. However, however, there are -- nonetheless a whole bunch of thousand stay blocked. A few of them are blocked or behind the bars.
To reply to your query about Mariupol, earlier than the start of this full-fledged conflict and the occupation of Mariupol, there have been a lot of folks. And all of the corridors have been blocked, together with humanitarian corridors, the availability of meals and water.
So, on this metropolis now, there's 150,000, a lot of lifeless our bodies on the street, a lot of wounded folks among the many navy and civilians. The evacuation occurs solely when the Russian facet agrees to a Ukrainian proposal to open a hall.
So, the hall for the meals or water merely don't exist in these cities which might be occupied by Russia.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Mr. President, your crew shared with us a video, pictures that your authorities has gathered of what has been left behind exterior of Kyiv that I do need to share with our viewers.
And I need to ask you about it. Wanting and listening to what Vladimir Putin has stated, he is known as Ukraine not an actual nation. He stated it is managed by little Nazis. He is known as you a drug-addled thug.
Is he somebody you'll be able to negotiate with?
PRESIDENT VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY (by means of translator): Because the president of Ukraine, there can't be simply my private view about President Putin and a dialogue with the Russian Federation.
I've to face for the pursuits of my nation. So, it is tough to say how, in any case, what has been performed, we will have any form of negotiations with Russia. That is on the non-public degree.
However, as a president, I've to do it. Any conflict has to finish, simply finish. I am not speaking about ending this with peace, as a result of peace on this scenario, when there are literally thousands of folks killed, is one thing that I am not positive with. However there isn't any some other method. This, I am saying as a president.
There isn't any some other method, however the dialogue, if we do not need a whole bunch of 1000's, hundreds of thousands to die. Nevertheless it's vital to have the settlement between the 2 sides and understanding or no less than the need to know that we have to have a dialogue, as a result of we will stand till the tip.
They usually have to know this. So, I am -- hold speaking about this dialogue, one thing that I've been repeating all through my time period as a president.
MARGARET BRENNAN: By way of safety ensures, the USA has given safety assurances to Ukraine prior to now, and that didn't cease this invasion.
While you lately spoke with President Biden, did he make you any form of concrete promise that the U.S. and NATO would not let this occur to Ukraine once more?
PRESIDENT VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY (by means of translator): So, we do not imagine in papers any longer.
So, we're very grateful for the help of the USA, certainly, and it is a very highly effective help. However by way of safety ensures, we now have not acquired them but from anybody. And we now have to get them.
For us, it is crucial additionally what the circle of nations who can be offering the safety ensures goes to be and the way particularly this can be enforced.
So I am not, as a president, happy with simply assurance, as a result of then I do not know what the settlement goes to be about and whether or not we can have an settlement with Russia. What are we going to agree about? Who're going to be the guarantors?
As a result of if, tomorrow, the conflict begins once more, and solely sanctions can have been launched, properly, that is about nothing, as a result of sanctions are vital. But when they can not cease the aggression, then we do not want such ensures.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Russia appears very on this resource-rich a part of Jap Ukraine.
I ponder, will you accept something lower than a full withdrawal of Russian troops from each inch of Ukrainian soil?
PRESIDENT VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY (by means of translator): That is the naked minimal that we now have to begin the deoccupation with.
It must be one hundred pc withdrawal of troops to the borders that existed previous to the twenty fourth of February no less than. This may make us to no less than to begin discussing different questions in regards to the deoccupation, about how can we stay -- stay on after this.
We have now our dialogue with them. So, I am unable to actually have a assembly when the shelling is occurring, so, first, the cease-fire. Then we will have a gathering with the Russian president.
If they've the -- an method that they -- he is making these authoritarian choices, why do we want this bloodshed, drama efficiency for? Let's merely sit down collectively, the 2 of us.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We flip now to former Nationwide Safety Council Senior Director for European and Russian affairs, Fiona Hill. She's additionally the writer of "There Is Nothing For You Right here."
Glad to have you ever again with us.
FIONA HILL (Former Nationwide Safety Council Official): Thanks, Margaret.
MARGARET BRENNAN: It was extraordinary to have this dialog with President Zelenskyy, significantly at this second, as these pictures emerge of what has occurred, the devastation in and round Kiev.
He is speaking about looting. There are experiences of mass rape, mass graves. Is that this how the Russian navy at all times behaves?
FIONA HILL: Nicely, that is clearly not a particular navy operation, is it, after we see all of those pictures.
And, sadly, it is following a sample that goes again traditionally. I imply, look, a variety of this wasn't talked about a lot after World Battle II, however when the Pink Military moved into Berlin, there was mass rape of German ladies within the metropolis.
And, clearly, within the wake of World Battle II, folks did not actually need to speak about that a lot, given all of the atrocities that had been dedicated by German forces and the Nazis. We have got these experiences of looting in different settings as properly, in Chechnya.
Additionally, in Georgia, when the Russian navy moved in, in 2008, there was a variety of wanton destruction of Georgian tools, experiences of, like, deliberate defecation on the tools, for instance, I imply, nearly like silly stuff that was mainly meant to indicate unbelievable disrespect.
However, look, we see in lots of wartime eventualities throughout historical past, these sorts of experiences. But when this was genuinely a particular navy operation to liberate a fraternal nation from what Putin was describing as Nazis, you wouldn't count on this type of conduct.
So, both it is a full breakdown of command and management, or it is really being sanctioned not directly to show Ukrainians a lesson. Both method, that is really fairly disastrous and clearly requires some form of severe response within the worldwide neighborhood.
MARGARET BRENNAN: , the USA anticipated Russia to launch a whole digital warfare blackout in Ukraine after they did this. They have not.
And, actually, one in all President Zelenskyy's strongest instruments is his potential to proceed to speak in the midst of this and to indicate these pictures to the world. Was this a giant strategic failure by Vladimir Putin? I imply, why is he permitting this?
FIONA HILL: Nicely, it is a actually good query, is not it?
I imply, is it as a result of they really proved to not have the capability? Is it that the Ukrainians are pushing again? As a result of there's a variety of very technically savvy Ukrainians, a variety of firms. There's clearly a variety of help that they are getting from the skin world.
I imply, we have heard help from Elon Musk, for instance. Plenty of it is coming from people, not simply from governments. However there's been a variety of strategic blunders by the Russian authorities on this marketing campaign.
Clearly, there's a lot of issues that they did not count on, to begin with, that the marketing campaign has gone on for much longer. Second, they have not been in a position to decapitate the Ukrainian authorities. They have not taken Kiev. We have seen as a substitute that they've simply mainly wreaked havoc and carnage in all places, that they are participating in acts not simply of what look like conflict crimes, which we're now within the technique of documenting, however of wanton destruction and this loopy looting that you simply're seeing happening.
I imply, that is actually, I believe, elevating a variety of questions on this a lot vaunted Russian navy that all of us really anticipated to carry out in a significantly better vogue throughout the board. And, clearly, if the data has not been filtering as much as Vladimir Putin, as we have been listening to, from his commanders, this have to be one thing of a shock to the system for him as properly, which really then raises a variety of questions on, what's he going to do subsequent?
MARGARET BRENNAN: Why is Vladimir Putin so involved with the Donbass area, the jap area?
FIONA HILL: Nicely, that is the place that he first bought a grip on in 2014 after annexing Crimea. I imply, we all know that, in 2014 that the Russian authorities, Putin specifically, had larger ambitions.
He talked about this area of Novorossiya, which extends from the Donbass area throughout all of those port cities on the Sea of Azov that we have seen fully devastated, Melitopol, Mariupol, Berdyansk, for instance, to Kherson, one other of the cities that they've seized, after which all the best way all the way down to Odessa, the place we're getting experiences now that they are preventing -- or, reasonably, beginning to shell Odessa and elevating the query of preventing.
It is a complete space that was seized by the Russian empire underneath Catherine the Nice. Putin's talked about it repeatedly. And, for him, this zone now of Southern Ukraine alongside the Black Sea, throughout the highest of the Crimean Peninsula, the Sea of Azov, extending to Donbass, appears to be the realm that he is desirous to be sure that he has a maintain of, it doesn't matter what.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I need to put up a map right here, as a result of we hold listening to that a lot of the world is selecting a facet on this battle in opposition to Russia.
However, really, it is actually simply Europe. It is the Americas. It is the West, Japan. Is the world really actually lining up in opposition to him, or does he have fairly a lifeline nonetheless?
FIONA HILL: Nicely, he does nonetheless have a lifeline. That is what's actually problematic.
I imply, the one factor that we now have to be very cautious about now, I imply, I do know that President Zelenskyy is basically making an enormous attraction for extra assist from the USA, from the West, from NATO, and from different allies, the European Union. However we actually have to get different worldwide actors to step up.
We have had Japan and South Korea, for instance. There's been protestations in regards to the battle within the United Nations Common Meeting from international locations like Ghana and Kenya.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
FIONA HILL: However there must be extra, as a result of Russia needs to painting this as a proxy conflict between the USA and Russia for Ukraine.
That isn't what that is.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I need to speak about that on the opposite facet of this break.
Stick with us, Fiona Hill.
We'll must take this fast break. Stick with us.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: And we can be proper again with Russia professional and former high White Home adviser Fiona Hill, in addition to former Nationwide Safety Adviser to President Trump H.R. McMaster, plus Congressman Jamie Raskin with the newest on January 6.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Welcome again to FACE THE NATION.
We need to proceed our dialog with Fiona Hill, former high adviser on Russia on the Nationwide Safety Council through the Trump administration.
, Fiona, that is actually these two personalities, Volodymyr Zelenskyy and Vladimir Putin. And it is all about attempting to alter Putin's thoughts.
At this level, is there any succession plan if he's not working Russia?
HILL: Nicely, there's at all times a succession plan, no less than in idea, which is, you recognize, one thing occurs to him usually, then both the prime minister or the speaker of the Russian parliament would step in and they'd elections.
Now, underneath this present circumstances, there's simply completely no method that Vladimir Putin needs to loosen his grip on energy. 2024 he is speculated to have the presidential election. In idea, as we all know, he is bought two extra presidential phrases that he can contest. And that might take him out until 2036. And Putin has, if something, some endurance. He is just about decided to remain in place. And there's completely no method that he would need to exit on the again -- in any method on the again of a catastrophe in Ukraine.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So that is, in some methods, solidifying his maintain on energy reasonably than weakening it?
FIONA HILL: Completely. From his perspective. Now, it doesn't suggest to say, after all, that that maintain is totally consolidated. It is very brittle, the scenario proper now. So many issues can go mistaken. So many issues might be taking place behind the scenes that we really do not learn about.
However for Putin himself, absolutely the very last thing he needs to do is exit within the backdrop of protests, backdrop of a failed conflict, as different earlier leaders in Russian historical past have. And there is no method that he will entertain any form of concept of a palace coup. He is aware of the historical past. He is aware of how these items work.
And the rapid group of individuals round him who helped plot this conflict are additionally going to rise and fall with him. So you'll be able to make sure that they're attempting to root out any form of descent, any form of opposition in the intervening time. And likewise on the favored degree. I imply we're listening to in public opinion polls that there is a variety of help for Putin. I imply it is laborious to, you recognize, form of actually gauge once more how deep that help is. Individuals are rallying across the flag, rallying round him, rallying across the Kremlin. And he is going to ensure, after all, that any form of alternate views are fully and completely suppressed at this second.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You've got written extensively about Putin. I do know President Biden has learn your e-book on him. One of many belongings you write about is what's occurred prior to now with cease-fire agreements in Chechnya. And that is why I requested about safety ensures with President Zelenskyy. Prior to now, Russia has torn up peace agreements, simply reinvaded. Is that what Volodymyr Zelenskyy is now, the chance of that?
FIONA HILL: Sure. I imply he must be very severe about this. And as he stated, they're fed up now on the Ukrainian facet with paper agreements. They must have one thing actual and concrete. And that is going to be what is going on to be tough as a result of you'll be able to't simply be from the USA both. The earlier settlement, the Budapest Settlement, was with the USA, the UK, and Russia. And clearly that was in 1994 when Ukraine gave up a strategic nuclear weapons. That turned fairly meaningless. And so what Zelenskyy is on the lookout for, clearly, as he stated, is a few fairly concrete ensures from a spread of nations. He talked in regards to the circle of nations that is perhaps concerned. And it must be exterior of Europe as properly. That is a part of the issue.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
FIONA HILL: As Putin is making this a proxy conflict, he is saying to everybody else, that is just like the Chilly Battle, that is like Korea or Vietnam. This isn't the case. Putin has determined to invade a neighboring nation. It is a post- imperial land seize. It is primarily based on historical past, his grievances, his view of Russia's place in Europe. And mainly it must be addressed in a global content material. So that they want wide-ranging worldwide safety ensures.
MARGARET BRENNAN: It's a international drawback now.
FIONA HILL: It's.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Fiona Hill, thanks to your evaluation.
I need to get extra from former Nationwide Safety Advisor H.R. McMaster. He is additionally CBS Information international coverage nationwide safety contributor and host of the podcast "Battlegrounds."
Good morning to you, H.R.
Tactically and strategically talking, why would Russian forces transfer to the east?
H.R. MCMASTER: Nicely, to attempt to get one thing out of this, proper, and to attempt to -- to attempt to compensate for the utter failure of the offensive initially. It is fairly clear that Russia has failed from the very starting in reference to its unique object, to subjugate all of Ukraine and to impact this kudumaine (ph) oriented -- on these 4 axis however primarily on Kyiv and Odessa.
And what you see is a focus now within the Donbas area and within the south. It is fascinating, Margaret, we've not heard an excessive amount of speak about this, however that is about 10 p.c of the Ukrainian land mass, however about -- the land mass that holds about 90 p.c of Ukraine's power assets. And I believe what you see Russia as having a strategic design in thoughts, as Fiona talked about, that is about an (INAUDIBLE) and so forth, nevertheless it's additionally making the Sea of Azov clearly a Russian lake, and the Black -- the Black Sea as properly.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper. Nicely, I assumed it was fascinating that President Zelenskyy stated, after I requested him, does this imply, you recognize, one hundred pc withdrawal from all of Ukrainian territory, and he stated, Russia must withdraw to the borders pre-February twenty fourth. So that might imply probably these jap Donetsk and Luhansk areas and Crimea.
Is that important to you the best way he phrased that?
H.R. MCMASTER: It's important. It signifies that, you recognize, he is prepared to compromise to a sure extent. However I believe that is bought to be as much as him and the Ukrainian folks. You've got seen the horrors, the devastation, the -- I've heard your dialog, which is simply -- it was simply horrible, with Zelenskyy and the horrors that they are confronting now within the wake of the - - of the Russian withdrawal.
, I believe that it will be as much as the Ukrainian folks, clearly, in the event that they're prepared to compromise in any respect after that. And it is laborious to think about that they'll need to, to surrender any of their territory.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure, properly --
H.R. MCMASTER: And, after all, Margaret, hey, I believe the opposite level about that is, you recognize, after all Zelenskyy is aware of that would not be the tip, proper?
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
H.R. MCMASTER: If Vladimir Putin says I am going to, you recognize, return again to the pre-February borders, after all what he'll do is attempt to hold Ukraine underneath his thumb and underneath steady duress, simply as he has since no less than 2003 and particularly after 2014.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure, and it is precisely what you simply put your finger on there that has the encircling European international locations so involved, that he might proceed to de-stabilize the realm. However I need to ask you about that. Why would Putin threat bringing a NATO nation right into a conflict that's being described as one the place his navy is failing? Is the U.S. and Europe making him ten ft tall when he is not?
H.R. MCMASTER: Sure, I believe so. I believe -- I believe -- I believe Putin is basically on the ropes right here. And, after all, the all -- what does he have left, Margaret? He solely -- he solely has left are threats. Cyber-threats? Nicely, that is not understanding for some purpose. I believe we'll -- we'll be taught extra about that later. However then the one factor he can do is rattle his nuclear saber, which is what he is performed. And, after all, that is a trigger for concern. However I believe we now have to -- to not overlook the do not a part of do not take council of our fears. And I believe at this stage what we're seeing, the place we confront the horrors and the mass homicide that's -- that happen -- has occurred and the horrible abuses, I believe we really feel now compelled to do extra.
Nicely, I believe what we should not do is wait any longer to do what it takes to provide Ukraine all of the instruments mandatory to completely beat again this offensive, and to make it clear to the Russians that they'll be unable to resume an offensive sooner or later.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Simply to be actually clear with our viewers, because you -- you served within the navy for thus lengthy. What we're describing and what's being documented as having occurred exterior Kyiv may be very far past the appropriate code of conduct for U.S. navy forces.
Are you able to simply put that in context for anybody who would say conflict is at all times bloody, how do you see what occurred?
H.R. MCMASTER: Nicely, that is the -- that is a -- that is an unprofessional drive. It is a drive that's not adhering to the essential navy ethic or the regulation of conflict or simply conflict idea. Simply (ph) in bellow (ph) idea requires you to use drive with self-discipline and discrimination, and to guard non- combatants. In fact, Russia really -- its tactic was to commit mass homicide in opposition to non-combatants as a result of it did not have the navy competence to perform its targets by means of fireplace and maneuver and the defeat of the opposing navy drive after which the -- then the management of that territory.
So that is -- that is in opposition to the regulation of conflict. It is in opposition to -- it is in opposition to the navy ethic. And it is in opposition to what we now have in our armed forces. The -- you recognize, the skilled warrior ethos, which is predicated on ideas, equivalent to honor and self-sacrifice. And that additionally consists of taking up extra threat ourselves to guard innocents, even -- even in an exercise that includes killing and the prospect of demise.
MARGARET BRENNAN: H.R. McMaster, thanks to your evaluation right this moment.
We'll be proper again.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Final week CBS Information and "The Washington Publish" revealed that inner White Home information from January the sixth confirmed a seven-hour hole in President Trump's name logs through the violence on the Capitol that day.
Maryland Democratic Congressman Jamie Raskin is on the Home committee investigating the assault on the Capitol and joins us right here now.
Welcome to FACE THE NATION.
REP. JAMIE RASKIN (D-MD): Thanks for having me.
MARGARET BRENNAN: This seven-hour hole, you've gotten subpoenaed the president's -- the previous president's help, Molly Michael. I do know you have been attempting to determine from workers what occurred.
Do you've gotten any perception?
JAMIE RASKIN: Nicely, it is a very uncommon factor for us to search out, that abruptly every little thing goes darkish for a seven-hour interval by way of monitoring the actions and the conversations of the president. And a few issues we have been in a position to piece collectively from different folks's interviews and depositions that we all know occurred throughout that point. We're conscious of different telephone calls that occurred throughout that point that included the president. However we now have no complete positive grain, the portrait of what was occurring throughout that interval. And that is, clearly, of intense curiosity to us.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You continue to do not have that after debriefing a few of these assistants? I imply his workplace, the previous president's workplace was recognized for being sloppy. He used cell telephones. She wasn't -- the non-public assistant wasn't within the workplace that day.
Is there an opportunity right here that this was simply form of large-scale incompetence reasonably than conspiracy?
JAMIE RASKIN: Nicely, we're taking that risk into consideration. It does look like the gaps are suspiciously tailor-made to the guts of the occasions. However we're checking that out. And, you recognize, our mandate underneath HR-503 is to get a whole image of every little thing that occurred on January sixth, the causes main as much as it, after which what we have to do as a rustic to fortify democratic establishments and processes in opposition to future insurrections and coups and makes an attempt to destabilize and overthrow our elections.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I imply that is simply an unimaginable phrase, potential future coups.
JAMIE RASKIN: Nicely, --
MARGARET BRENNAN: It is breathtaking to listen to you say it that method.
JAMIE RASKIN: Congressman Mo Brooks stated only a week or two in the past that president -- former President Trump continues to attempt to get him and different Republicans to rescind the election. In different phrases, he continues to search for a technique to nullify an election that he considers fraudulent.
Final night time, you recognize, I used to be on the Gridiron Membership dinner and I noticed the governor, the Republican governor of New Hampshire, Chris Sununu, who I assumed was an enormous breath of contemporary air. He stated publicly -- he broke custom apparently within the Gridiron Membership, he stated, Donald Trump is f-ing loopy. And he did not say f-ing. So I do not need to make any historical past in your present. However he additionally appeared to announce that he was going to run for president in 2024, laying down the gauntlet basically in opposition to the Trump/Putin axis inside the Republican Get together.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So -- you are ear piece simply dropped on the market. However you'll be able to hear me.
JAMIE RASKIN: So -- sure, although I did not say the phrase.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely, you'll be able to hear me. I imply, are you involved that on the finish of this investigation you are not going to search out what it sounds such as you're on the lookout for, which is substantiation of a -- of a hyperlink between a stress marketing campaign to alter the election outcomes and the occasions of January sixth itself? I imply are you assured you will get that and it is possible for you to to make a prison referral to the Justice Division?
JAMIE RASKIN: Nicely, no, I believe you have put your finger on it. I imply we all know there have been two issues occurring. And one was a violent revolt that included a mob riot which injured 150 of our officers with damaged jaws and damaged necks and damaged vertebrae and so forth, after which -- that was led by home violent extremist teams, just like the Proud Boys, who, you recognize, then President Trump had instructed to face again and stand by, the Oath Keepers, the three percenters, individuals who have been charged with seditious conspiracy, which implies conspiracy to overthrow the federal government. They shut down the counting of electoral school votes for the primary time in American historical past. It did not even occur when Lincoln took -- took the presidency in 1861.
OK, so there was that violent revolt. However then there was an try at an inside coup, what the political scientists name a self-coup, not a coup in opposition to a president, however a coup that is orchestrated by the president in opposition to the constitutional system. And what we're on the lookout for is the connections between the within political coup and the violent revolt. And I do really feel assured we're going to have the ability to inform that story.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However -- inform that story is totally different within the political context from making a prison advice or a authorized continuing on the Justice Division.
JAMIE RASKIN: Sure.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Are you assured that may occur?
JAMIE RASKIN: Nicely, we are going to lay out the proof that we see. Now, perceive, the position of the January sixth choose committee is to ship a report back to the American folks and to the Congress.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
JAMIE RASKIN: And so particular person prison accountability is one thing that comes inside the area of the Division of Justice.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Precisely. That is why I wished to make that clear.
JAMIE RASKIN: Sure. And one of many traditions we need to rebuild that was torn down over the past administration was of not having members of Congress and the president attempting to dictate coverage to the Division of Justice.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely --
JAMIE RASKIN: And that is what the final president did. And I am glad this president's not doing it. And we do not need to be a part of that.
MARGARET BRENNAN: How lengthy is just too lengthy? As a result of we hold listening to that the general public hearings are getting pushed off. Is it Might? Is it June? When do you narrow this off?
JAMIE RASKIN: I believe we're -- I believe that the hearings must be in early Might. That is what I am hoping for. Clearly we're up in opposition to a variety of obstruction.
Now, this week we voted to carry contempt citations in opposition to Dan Scavino and Peter Navarro.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper. Proper.
JAMIE RASKIN: The social media man for him, and Peter Navarro was the commerce adviser who, for some purpose, was off involving himself in insurrectionary coup plotting actions.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And that --
JAMIE RASKIN: These guys are claiming government privilege, which is absurd.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And that vote goes to be taking place this week, as we perceive it.
JAMIE RASKIN: We hope so, sure.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We can be again with extra FACE THE NATION in a second.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We flip now to the beautiful enhance in violent crime. And preventing that enhance is among the high priorities for New York Metropolis's new mayor, Eric Adams.
Good morning to you, Mr. Mayor. Good to have you ever in studio.
ERIC ADAMS, NEW YORK CITY MAYOR: Thanks. Good to be right here.
MARGARET BRENNAN: New York Metropolis has, what, the best variety of shootings in a decade, greater than 40 p.c spike in homicides over the past two years. You've got among the hardest gun legal guidelines within the nation. The place are all these weapons coming from?
ERIC ADAMS: That is a fantastic query. And in my dialog with the president and the chief of workers yesterday, we talked about only a move of weapons by means of our inside cities. A couple of days in the past I used to be in Chicago with Mayor Lightfoot, who took a number of -- 1000's of weapons off her road final 12 months. And right here in New York we're doing the identical.
We actually must have a mix. We have now to cease the move of weapons, however we should additionally do the job of getting the weapons off the streets that is on there now. And my anti-gun unit, they're doing that. Just some weeks out, they eliminated over 20 one thing weapons off the road.
However this is the fascinating quantity, 70 p.c of those that had been carrying the weapons had prior violent offenses. So, we have to mix with that small variety of people who find themselves carrying weapons with the big variety of weapons on our road and get each off our streets.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However you recognize that acknowledging that and having among the hardest gun legal guidelines within the nation can have critics say, properly, look, it makes no distinction you probably have tight gun legal guidelines.
ERIC ADAMS: Nicely, I inform these critics, go go to that 13-year-old boy that was shot yesterday whereas sitting at the back of a automobile. We have to cease criticizing good, correct regulation enforcement with the right proactive issues to maintain weapons out of the fingers of younger folks. And that is the mixture that we will do.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So why aren't the legal guidelines working?
ERIC ADAMS: For quite a lot of causes. We have now a small variety of gun sellers which might be simply skating the regulation. We're coping with an issue with ghost weapons. It is crucial that we give you clear messages about ghost weapons, and the kits that assemble them. And I imagine Washington goes to try this. Then we have to put cash into the ATF to allow them to do the right data sharing so we will establish the move of weapons within the inside cities. And that's what we're doing in New York with our mixed efforts of all regulation enforcement companies.
MARGARET BRENNAN: It sounds such as you're anticipating extra government actions or orders from the president to do that, as a result of none of it will get by means of Congress.
ERIC ADAMS: Nicely, it is the mixture. I believe government orders are essential. However whereas we're ready for the president and the White Home to proceed to do the great issues they're doing, I've to do the issues we should do on the grounds in New York Metropolis. And that is what we're doing. My officers are stepping up with high quality of life points, and we're zeroing in on harmful gangs and zeroing in on those that are set off pullers and carrying weapons.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I need to ask you about that. You known as it high quality of life. It is high quality of life enforcement. You, your self, have been fairly important of previous mayors after they have used ways referred to as like damaged home windows, proper, going after these form of smaller-scale crimes. High quality of life consists of offenses which might be precursors to violence, marijuana gross sales, public urination, issues like that. Aren't these the identical zero tolerance insurance policies that previously have been exploited and precipitated civil rights violations?
ERIC ADAMS: Oh, and I am glad that you simply -- you recognize, you identified the historical past, as a result of that is my historical past of preventing in opposition to heavy-handed and abusive policing. You possibly can have the justice that we deserve with the protection we want. Here is what we speak about after we say high quality of life. Not permitting somebody to enter a retailer, steal what they need, after which stroll out. Soar within the flip kinds, not paying your fares within the subway system. Lots of the prison component, they're really going into the subway system with out paying their fare and committing crimes. We realized that through the mid-'90s, within the early '90s. But additionally simply open drug use. Inject your self with heroin in our parks, in entrance of our kids. Loud noise, simply being disorderly. A number of the issues we're doing round encampment. You do not have to make use of police to take away the encampments in our metropolis, like we're doing. We're doing a mix of social providers, giving folks the dignity they deserve. That's what we speak about. Cleansing our streets and ensuring that we do not have a state of dysfunction.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However all of what you are mendacity out, nobody's for these issues, however they're involved that that is simply dressing again up the damaged home windows idea, that you simply're doing the identical factor however relabeling it.
ERIC ADAMS: Nicely, I believe that's vital for folks to say, properly, let's take a look at who's implementing the right use of coping with high quality of life. Eric Adams, I used to be the main voice that testified in federal court docket in regards to the overuse of police ways. Now I am accountable for that police division, and I understand how we will run a police division with a fantastic police commissioner, Commissioner Sule (ph), the place we're going to ensure we do not have dysfunction in our metropolis, however we will lawfully present those who it is a metropolis the place the standard of life is vital.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However you've gotten stated issues such as you will not tolerate bystanders being on high of law enforcement officials to movie their actions. Is not the general public reporting, eyewitness accounts like this, precisely what has stopped or no less than laid naked violations such because the killing of George Floyd? Is not that form of public reporting vital?
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper. And let me inform you what I've performed all through the -- my years. I've performed one thing known as what to do when stopped by the police, methods to movie police, methods to do it correctly. Nothing is extra harmful than if a police officer is preventing with somebody that has a gun, and you've got an individual standing over him taping that interplay. That's extraordinarily harmful. That officer is just not conscious of who's behind him. Might days that I've fought with people who had been carrying weapons or knives and I've had folks stand over me with a digital camera, that's extraordinarily harmful as a result of you do not know what you've gotten.
So what we're saying to New Yorkers, movie. And concerning the case, the younger man filmed a secure distance away. He didn't interrupt or intervene. That's the way you movie. You do not do this. That endangers your self or that police officer who's taking motion.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Mr. Mayor, thanks to your time right this moment.
ERIC ADAMS: Thanks. Good seeing you.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We'll be proper again.
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